Munguin and I, without hesitation, stand with decency and the refugees.
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MUNGUIN'S NEW REPUBLIC 
Braverman said in a televised interview (saw this online not directly via Telly news..as if) :
” Many people would like to come here to the UK”
Well under the current fascist government and too the general toxic environment in parts of THEIR UK… I assume the people she was referring to….were….MASOCHISTS.
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They need to remember that other European countries take far more per capita than Britain does.
They whine constantly that everyone wants to come to Britain. They don’t. They really don’t.
And many of us would like to get the hell out of it.
The Mail and the Express tell the public that Britain is the go-to for refugees… and the public believes it.
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The rich cynic and co are turning into Marx..ists, no the Marx brothers.
It’s the LAW you see and if it doesn’t work we’ve got plenty of a majority to make new Laws.
Definately just a wee tactic for use in the next election.
Sawa bit of Sky propaganda this morning, pop vids of englanders in Kent who only look at the Hail.
Billions of people will be coming toan old RAF station that’s being converted into a prison for a few thousand asylum seekers.
They don’t want to stop the boats they just want to feed the fascists, from yesterday Channel 4 had a video that suggests the people running the show are based in englandland, probably making donations to the tory party.
Seems that the englanders are only interested in ‘Fairness’, well only when it is modelled on their requirements.
Ditch Tory Fools.
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I’d not be surprised if there were not some Brits involved in the trafficking.
But the Mail and the Express write about swarthy Albanians, and the S*n has pictures of swarthy Albanians.
One brilliant way to stop anyone coming here would be to make some government films about what life is really like here, in comparison with some other countries in Europe.
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Suella Braverman etal, should just appear at the microphone with a giant dog whistle, that is what they want to achieve.
Her bill, the one that she and Rishi have been working on for months, has on its front page, something to the effect “Not sure that this bill will be legally acceptable to the Convention of Human Rights.” Obviously presenting the proposed bill to the CHR would be too quiet, wouldn’t create the noise, the distraction they seek. This way they will make use of the large echo when there is a CHR section 35 equivalent.
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Yes, indeed. They will be able to blame the ECHR for the failure of their brave attempts to stem the flow of desperate people.
The Tory House Magazines will tell the story over and over that if only we were not signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights we would be able to get rid of all these people forever. And the people who read the Mail, Telegraph and the Express, and look at the pictures in the S*n will protest that we should leave this horrible foreign organisations and take bac k control of OUR human rights. Proper British Human Rights.
They won’t know that the ECHR was set up after the war to stop people like Hitler. It was largely the work of their great hero, Winston Churchill and it was drawn up by Great British Lawyers. So proper British Human Rights, yeah?
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I prefer to betray Britain than back Britain in their efforts to create a fenced off prison of an island that will pay low wages have no laws to protect people from crooked employers and siphon off our wealth to a few already very rich individuals who probably have no intention whatsoever of spending the rest of their life here.
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Absolutely thadochasann, except with their exit from the ECHR, might we all be potentially viewed as enemies of the state, might ‘betrayal’ be a crime, put nowt past them. When fascists use words like ‘betrayal’ to describe those who oppose their fascism, we are (being taken by force) down a very dark path indeed.
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Roland Freisler appointed to the supreme court by braverman.
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LOL LOL LOL
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Well, I won’t retract it for one.
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I’m 100% into this.
Although Rich Boy wants to make it an offense.
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Watched Peter Stefanovich at YouTube, clips of film where Sunak and Braverman both insist, ‘we need to get out of the ECHR’. That’s your freedom to vote in fair elections, freedom from torture, the right to a fair trial, freedom from slavery etc etc, going very soon if they get their way. They are using the ‘boats’ to make sure idiots will go along with the removal of all human rights for all (except themselves of course) in the UK. So welcome to RussiaUK and BelarusUK, because that’s where we are headed. For Sunak to have stood there with ‘Stop the boats’ on that podium, absolutley disgusting.
It appeals to some though, I have a family member, (not very astute, and suspect influenced by scumbags at his work) in NE Eng who goes along with it, says he’ll vote UKIP next time, jeezo, because, ‘people coming over here on boats’. The racism anti foreigner card works, that’s why the EngGov/cabal are deploying it right now. Terrifying.
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Absolutely, Hetty.
With some people it works every time.
They talk about having a British convention on Human rights… without knowing that the European one IS a bloody British one.
Still that’s what happens when you are fed your news by the tabloids.
As you say… Russia and Belarus are the only non members in Europe. Ask your relative if he fancies living in a state like that and remind him that young Russians are being forced to go to war right now. Remind him too that Tobias Elwood wants to do that here and have conscription.
Maybe your relative is over the age when he would be conscripted..
From Wikipedia:
The only states which are not are Belarus and Russia. The ECHR, the Council of Europe’s flagship instrument, came into force in 1953. British MP and lawyer Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe led the drafting, building on the legal traditions of the founding members, including the UK, of the Council of Europe. (24 Jun 2022).
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Russia and Belarus do not trust USA and would not join the EU or ECHR simply because they believe these are heavily influenced by the USA in the same way that NATO is heavily influenced by USA.
I get that , it’s a problem , we would all be safer if Belarus and Russia joined the EU but USA will never allow that to happen.
Whenever USA trade is losing pace across the world instead of picking up their pace and improving what they do and how they do it , they look around the world to see which countries they can undermine that will result in increased trade for USA.
Examples , Brexit and Ukraine Russia war.
As soon as Brexit was achieved the U.K. politicians responsibly for securing it were right across to meet trump and plan the way forward.
Brexit started January 2021 and shortly after that USA offered to help Ukraine join NATO then in June 2021 Brussels summit agreed a plan for Ukraine to join NATO
February 2022 after many meetings with Russia during Ukraine refused to withdraw its application to join NATO , Russia invaded Ukraine .
USA gain from brexit and U.K. lose
USA gain from Russia Ukraine war and Russia Ukraine EU U.K. lose
Next will be China
USA are already trying to influence Pakistan and India using Kashmir as a tool in the same way they used immigrants in U.K. for brexit and NATO in the Ukraine Russia war.
Kashmir borders China , I am certain that should USA attempt to put missiles in Kashmir on the border with China we will see the invasion of Kashmir by China.
It’s all very cushy for USA because they can wage war against Russia and China from five thousand miles away claiming that they are really just being the saviours of other countries when in reality they are the chief warmongers of the world and the biggest risk of WWIII
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We ‘re not talking about the EU here. ECHR is nothing to do with them and everything to do with the Council of Europe which this lot as, at least for the moment, still in.
Although they might be kicked out if they follow this policy with refugees.
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Yes I know it’s not about EU but discussing the ECHR without mentioning the deal between the EU and ECHR is missing a major influence.
“The EU’s accession to the ECHR will make it possible for individuals to take complaints against the EU to an independent international court – the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Under the terms of the ECHR, the EU will be obliged to put right any human rights violations found by the Strasbourg court.”
This makes the relationship between the EU and ECHR very solid but even though the ECHR will hear complaints about Russia invading Ukraine and have actually came out and said the invasion of Ukraine by Russia started in 2014 they are powerless to do anything to Russia because Russia is not under ECHR jurisdiction .
As I said above Russia being outside the EU is a consequence of their mistrust of USA, Russia do not want war within Europe they supplied gas to the EU and were building closer relations until USA decided it was becoming too close a relationship and against the interests of USA trade so they stepped in offered help to Ukraine to join NATO encouraged the EU to endorse it , U.K. sheep followed and there you have it , the threat by USA 5 thousand miles away to Russia that led to the Ukraine invasion .
Russia fear that USA will cause war against Russia if NATO allowed to move so close to Moscow as the Ukraine border just 400 miles away.
You cannot separate those I mention , they are all involved and none are independent not even the ECHR which will always support the notion that Ukraine were innocent here when the facts show otherwise.
Russia panicked they should not have invaded they should have continued discussions but they couldn’t wait til NATO forces were actually on their border.
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But Russia would never have been accepted into the EU. It doesn’t pretend to be a democracy.
Surely being in some sort of an organisation shouldn’t be blocked because it would bring that organisation right next to your borders.
For a long time the UK was in NATO and Ireland was not.
For a while France was not in NATO Belgium was…
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What if for example China agreed to locate Missiles on the French coast facing England what would England do ?
Would they just say “ Surely being in some sort of an organisation shouldn’t be blocked because it would bring that organisation right next to your borders.“ ?
I don’t think so
I think you would see a severe reaction possibly even an attack on those missiles
OR
If they were able England would occupy the French coast and destroy it so that it was not able to house missiles from China
We have to put our feet in the shoes of those we point the finger at
And say , what would I have done ?
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Russian paranoia has existed since well before the USA was anything more than a clutch of colonies on the east coast of North America. Before the USA, Russia focused its neuroses on the Vikings, Tatars, Turks, Caucasians and whoever else happened to be breathing in their vicinity. As it expanded its empire eastwards and confiscated the lands of the indigenous peoples of Siberia, Central Asia and the Far East, the targets of the paranoia changed.
Russia, as an imperial autocracy, seems to thrive on its victim status which is never good for the wider world as bullies who feel sorry for themselves tend to cause havoc.
Since the collapse of the Soviet empire Belarus has had the misfortune to be run by a clique of crooks. If democracy were ever to gain the upper hand there, we might see a very different balance in international relationships. Let’s hope Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya can oust Lukashenko at the ballot box again and get Belarus out of Russia’s death grip.
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Yes Russia was expansive in the past , U.K. , France , Spain, Portugal , Netherlands Germany etc too BUT in todays world the one that concerns me right now it is not Russia that is expansive it is not Russia that wants to control other countries across the world nor China or India it is USA with their wee buddy U.K.
Brexit was always a lie nothing to do with sovereignty the prime reason for it was to make it easier for USA to cause war in Europe and prevent the closer relationship between Europe or should I say the EU and Russia.
The NORD 2 gas pipeline was bringing more trade between Russia and the EU and at the same time China was trading more with the EU especially through amazon and engineering all of this was happening as USA overseas trade was shrinking so what evolved was “ let’s make America great again “ and from that spawned three major events
(1) brexit
(2) USA U.K. EU encourage NATO missiles on the border of Ukraine and Russia
(3) USA destroy the NORD 2 gas pipeline (under the Baltic Sea ) that was bringing gas from Russia to EU
ALL done “ to make America great again”
U.K. and most of EU are now buying gas shipped on boats from USA
Trade between U.K. and Russia and EU and Russia has stopped you can guess where that trade is done now, U.K. and EU trading even more with USA
Russia trading more with China and India
USA then turn their attention to India and threaten India that if they don’t stop trading with Russia there will be trouble , India tell USA to get stuffed
USA will now try and ignite the fire in India actually it’s started already because they are encouraging Pakistan to be firmer over the ownership of Kashmir which Pakistan India and China all claim is theirs.
The self appointed policemen of the world USA really do believe they can control this planet , the U.K. would love to do so again but are too small on their own but they have the history on their side , as you rightly point out , USA was just a U.K. satellite kinda still is only it’s reversed the roles .
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Belarus has a small population now but it’s quite a big country , it lost land to Poland , never recovered and was devastated in WWII again never recovered but it wants to , it was a founding member of the United Nations along with Russia both suffered massively in WWII so that they and you and I too would not suffer the pain of living under a Nazi regime.
Yes they are suspicious of USA whom they see as expansionist just like Germany was so they tied themselves closely to Russia, don’t blame them, well there are many Russians live there always have been, I’ve never been there so I can’t comment on freedom of choice they have or don’t have but they do not appear to be interested in NATO why would they ? they don’t trust USA.
Belarus is also against USA controlled NATO being in Ukraine , for the same reason as Russia which is that Ukraine shares a border with it and Belarus do not want USA NATO missiles stationed on the Ukraine border just 200 miles from Minsk.
I get it , I understand why.
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Indeed. Russia isn’t at all expansive. We just have to look to Ukraine, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria for to look for excuses for them. The poor victimised souls.
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Russia isn’t in Ukraine to stay
It’s purpose is to make sure NATO doesn’t move in
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Putin – Ukraine. Hitler – Poland.
“We are threatened by [INSERT AS DESIRED]. They need to do as I say, so that I can appear tough.”
There’s a pattern whether apologists can see it or not.
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If China wanted to put missiles on the coast of France, I admit, I would wonder why.
But I’m not sure that it’s quite the same thing.
Surely in any case, these days, missiles can be fired from continents away.
After Putin’s threat to use nukes, I’d be surprised if America doesn’t have missiles trained on Moscow.
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There are many countries with a NATO border. Historically, even more.
Russia, alone, has decided that invasion is the answer.
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The border has to be somewhere, I guess in a largely land locked continent like Europe, it means that potentially guns are facing each other over a border.
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are members of NATO and have borders with Russia.
I can’t see a problem.
I suspect that Finland and Moldova will soon be members of NATO.
I’m not sure what the problem is.
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“The border has to be somewhere”
Indeed.
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What if I could summon the spirit of Beelzebub by clicking my fingers and humming the melody to Three Lions?
We’re not dealing with what-ifs. We’re dealing with country A invading, bombing and torturing country B.
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But can you? That is the question we want the answer to.
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I have tried many times but I think my technique needs work.
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Russia was in ECHR until the Ukraine war started.
Russia left ECHR because
a) they had no intention of upholding it
b) their international standing reached such a nadir that it had no diplomatic downsides
Russia has never attempted to join the EU. Russia set its future on Commonwealth of Independent States back in the 90s and has not wavered from that path. It is a key part of its domestic and foreign policy. There is just no political appetite to orient westwards but that has nothing to do with its relationship with USA. Instead, it has everything to do with its relationship with its immediate neighbours and its history as an imperial power.
I am easily convinced that Russia does not now want a war in Europe because they are perfectly satisfied with the war in Ukraine. Had they been more successful, I can easily imagine they would have set their sights further afield – Georgia, probably.
I don’t really know what point you are making here. I guess it’s something about US hegemony and that the war in Ukraine is the fault of Ukraine/USA/EU/ECHR; anybody but Russia.
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The point I am making is clear , Russia did not start this war , Ukraine backed by USA started this war , if you threaten a country by saying you are going to put missiles on their border they will react and if you say those missiles will be missiles from another country a country that threatened to drop nuclear bombs on them in the past they will most definitely take action to prevent that happening.
Russia is not expanding its territory into Ukraine it has no intention of taking over Ukraine and incorporating it into Russian territory , it is preventing USA from siting missiles 400 miles from Moscow.
Russia has no interest whatsoever in taking over Georgia either .
The USA and U.K. do not attack other countries to take them over either , they have another aim which is to destabilise them then assist a new leadership in those countries who will help them strip assets at No or low cost.
USA thinks itself the global power but is being overtaken by China .China has good relations with Russia and USA dont like that powerful allegiance.
Russia trading with the eu providing all their gas was challenging USA ability to control europe so USA took steps to stop the eu and Russia trading which was simple , encourage Ukraine to join NATO triggering Russian fear and action triggering eu fear and action once that was accomplished the USA moved in and destroyed the gas pipeline from Russia to Germany.
USSR after WWII ring fenced itself and small neighbours but it was rash and unsustainable so they released their neighbours who rightly regained their independence but even though the Cold War between USSR and USA was toned down it never went away because USA continued its expansion , a mobile expansion that realised it gave them unseen global trade powers .
USA recently have not been able to accept Chinese trade dominance so they began to flex in the China seas which of course they call “international waters” , they sail their aircraft carriers up and down the Chinese coast , threatening or what ? it’s four and a half thousand miles away from USA , can you imagine Chinese aircraft carriers sailing up and down the coast of California ?
U.K. and USA send warships into the Black Sea as well , for intimidation purposes it’s a dead end but they like to cause trouble that way and do this kind of thing all over the world.
As usual people in USA and U.K. can’t look at themselves and their own countries and see that their own countries are the warmongers of the world .
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Ma tha dòchas ann, ‘s e an dòchas a th’ agamsa gun toir an Ruis a casan leatha às an Ucràin ‘s gun nochd Vladof Putler mu choinneimh Cùirt nan Eucoirean Cogaidh san Òlaind. Apologists ann no às!
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Tha e coltach riumsa mar thoradh toilichte
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“Russia did not start this war”
Um, whose tanks and soliders crossed which border?
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War is declared long before a foot is set on the soil of another country , but you know that already , you also know as do politicians and historians across the world that as soon as Ukraine applied to join NATO it was declaring war with Russia it just didn’t expect Russia to act so quickly , nobody did , not USA or U.K. or EU , Russia took everyone by surprise .If Scotland arranged for Russia to locate missiles on the border with England what do you think England would do ?
Do you think the EU and USA would send armed forces to help England ?
You bet they would
And England would attack Scotland in a minute without a second thought
It’s how the world works when one country threatens another
The two biggest countries in the world ( pop ) refuse to condemn Russia because they both say what I am saying to you ….China + India
Waken up to the reality f living in a warmongering country – U.K.
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Well, if that is the case Russia is not at war. They are still calling it a Special Military Operation.
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Russia May call it a special military operation , I expect because as I’ve already said it is the infrastructure they want to disable so that Ukraine is not able to bring in NATO but it is war in my opinion.
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We are, or at least I am, being fed a limited diet of information. This leaves me with an increasing number of questions.
Russian annexation of Crimea, 2014. There was an international agreement in place for the Russian fleet to be in the Black Sea and Crimea. It was due to be renewed in 2015, now I heard that the agreement was not going to be renewed. Is this true? If so, reasons why? Anybody.
And lecture from a historian, delivered about 8 years ago. The question and answer at the end is also interesting. Was this Prof. a Russian plant?
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Listening now, Alan.
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A lot of interesting points and I don’t know enough to argue with a learner professor on the facts.
But he makes fair points and I guess I can see the logic of his proposal to have a neutral Ukraine. [Although there was no buffer during the Soviet period. On one side of the wall was us and on the other was them. And they were only a few meters apart, whether it was in Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, or Finland. One minute you were in the West and (passport control notwithstanding), the next you were in the Soviet sphere.]
Given that he gave this talk in 2015, it would be interesting to see what he makes of the most recent escalation and of the West’s response.
As an aside, it’s interesting to see how the UK is left out of all of these points he makes.
He talks about the US and the EU and specifically France and Germany, and not once, I think, mentions Britain.
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If the UK “gets out of the ECHR’, it gets straight into an EU trade war and embargo as the Brexit Trade Treaty could be terminated.
In fact, Article 692 . . . . allows for an immediate “termination” effective on the day either party leaves the ECHR or a date “the denunciation” of its principles becomes effective
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/08/eu-could-terminate-police-and-security-agreement-if-uk-quits-echr
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Jeez. Do Braverman or her officials know what’s going on?
She’s supposed to be a lawyer.
Thanks for pointing that out, Benmadigan.
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They have “novel, innovative” arguments to justify leaving.
So said Ms Braverman!
If you believe that . . . . I’m a Nigerian Prince with a lovely bridge to sell you
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64884435
PS leaving would also breach the British-Irish Treaty on the Good Friday Agreement
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For a lawyer she has a very shaking grasp of treaties.
She has admitted that doing it will break the ECHR treaty.
And, as you say, the Belfast Agreement is dependent upon it.
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Listening to her HofC delivery, I reckon they are going to use the “democratic get out” the will of the people, our people made us do it.
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The will of the people appears rather dubious as far as this in concerned.
A will based on prejudice and narrow mindedness without anything like possession of the full facts. Rather like the will of the people in 2016 based on a stream of ever more ridiculous lies.
Still, that’s Britain for you.
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Is ‘Britain’ a ‘nation’? Also I was thinking recently, (I do sometimes lol!) surely Brexit is wrong, it should have been UkExit or EngExit. NI isn’t a part of ‘Britain’ last I looked, so as NI is also taken out of the EU, why ‘Brexit’. The hokey cokey (!) comes to mind re NI and Tories’ in out shake it all about approach.
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That’s a thought.
🙂
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I stand with Munguin and Trispw.
Scottish independence even more of a priority now
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Munguin says 🙂 🙂 🙂
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Apparently they are going to apply the law retrospectively…. Good take it back many years and yay 😀👍.
Braverman and Patel and family will flown to a safe third country..
Wots not to like 👍
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All I can say is “poor third country”.
🙂
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I thought that we were now a ‘third country’, so aren’t they exactly where they are supposed to be?
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Rwanda!
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Well not in his constituency that’s for sure …
What a stinking hypocrite
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/08/james-cleverly-criticises-plans-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-braintree
The foreign secretary has criticised plans to house asylum seekers at an RAF base in his constituency as part of a controversial scheme announced on Tuesday to detain and deport people en masse.
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Goodness no. Not in a Tory constituency. It might mean one would lose one’s seat and be obliged to go the the Lords.
Has anyone said how much the extension to the Lords is going to cost?
If the door to the existing one costs £7 million, what will an extension to the chamber cost… not to mention more toilets and bars?
https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/03/cost-of-new-door-for-house-of-lords-more-than-triples-to-7000000-18217636/
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Reports that 30p Lee is getting a dj job on the media.
Funny that he said that mps should just have the one job, as an mp.
So, he’s an mp, a tory party vice member and now a dj.
Maybe he’s getting ready for an election.
Not often that Lineker puts his head over the parapet, even he sees the ‘Illegal’ illegal asylum bill for what it is.
England is going to get very cramped, another 100million inhabitants are coming, don’t think they can house them let alone feed them.
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What a muppet he is:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-loudmouth-lee-anderson-slammed-29402987
He’s joining the rest of the Tory party on the UKIP tv station.
Maybe he should stand down as an MP.
I’ve always thought that “celebrities” should be careful about talking politics, regardless of what politics they are.
There are bound to be fans who will find it difficult to continue to be fans if they disagree strongly with them.
The fact that I agree with Lineker on this is neither here nor there. But now he’s said it… he’s said it, and with something this heinous who could blame him?
People are calling for him to be sacked from the BBC. (When I say people, I mean Tory MPs… make of that what you will.)
The silly thing about that is that, if they did sack him, he could get another high paid job offer in a matter of minutes. There’s a reason they pay him silly money.
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Not sure I agree with your comment about Gary Lineker dave. I have followed his remarks over the years, and have found him to be quite consistent in his criticisms of the Tories, and their policies.
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Don’t follow him so I will accept your input.
Thought he was just a football commentator with the ebc, which I don’t watch.
Poor media coverage my end.
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Just saw a wee clip of the Sky interview with braverman.
The question put was, will Mo Farrah be ejected from englandland as he was a wee boat person asylum seeker, in fact a slave.
A clip from Desert Island discs from the ebc, they had on a doctor who was also a wee boat person, the only way he could enter.
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Braverman has already admitted that there is no way for someone to claim asylum whilst outside the country.
Of course on several occasions the French have offered facilities there to do the selection and the Brits have turned them down.
She’s as thick as whatsit.
https://news.sky.com/story/suella-braverman-fails-to-explain-how-asylum-seekers-can-get-to-uk-safely-and-legally-12753780
If she were even slightly on top of her brief instead of being simply filled with hate for people who aren’t British, maybe she would constantly make a fool of herself.
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I don’t suppose that woman thinks these people are betraying Britain.
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If U.K. leaves ECHR it will be able to bomb Russians in Ukraine or should I say it allow USA aircraft based in U.K. to bomb Russians in Ukraine .
U.K. will claim they don’t know what USA aircraft do from their U.K. bases.
USA will deny responsibility as they always do.
ECHR will say nothing because USA U.K. Russia not affiliated to ECHR
Ukraine will not complain
There is absolutely no need for USA to be involved in Europe , Ukraine , China etc etc they are thousands of miles away they are not the good policemen of the world they are the major warmongers of the world with their poodle warmonger U.K. at their beck and call
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Well, some Tory bloke that chairs the defence committee Tobias Ellwood want Britain to declare war on Russia.
He probably should make sure that at least some of the military equipment is working before he does that though…
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HMS Montrose is visiting the town this weekend, a final farewell before heading to the scrapyard, it leaves the UK with 11 frigates, just enough to join in any conflict, with a larger force from the ‘international community’.
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Do they have any sailors? 🙂
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And now we have AUSKUS yes indeed the colonial past rises up to trigger more war , Australia and U.K. and US decide they will put nuclear submarines and other warships in the China sea to keep the peace , yes that’s right to keep the peace they don’t want China controlling the China sea
Australia is three and a half thousand miles away from China
U.K. is five and a half thousand miles away from China
USA is seven and a half thousand miles away from China
USA is five thousand miles away from Ukraine
U.K. is one and a half thousand miles away from Ukraine
Australia is eight and a half thousand miles away from Ukraine
The clear pattern here is U.K. and USA determined to impose themselves across the world
sailing their war ships around the Black Sea to intimidate Russia
sailing their ships up and down the coast of China to intimidate China
Flying their drones across Crimean coast to intimidate Russia
And if they can get away with it encourage by fair means or foul other countries to be aggressive towards China Russia India and any other country that does not allow USA and U.K. business to swallow up any commodity where profit can be syphoned off to offshore accounts
Sanctions will be imposed and if that doesn’t frighten you into submission we will send in the nuclear subs and aircraft carriers
Beyond that … war… of course it won’t be the USA or U.K. that start the war
USA and or U.K. are world peace keepers you know , the kind that are involved in dozens of wars across the world every day of every year but they will create the circumstances in which a war is started by some other country and after that they will offer to solve the problem by giving or selling military weapons to the side they want to win
The side they want win is the side that will enable USA and U.K. business to take control of whatever commodity they are after
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Hmmm… I’d have thought that the clue might have been in the name there. The China Sea.
I think the days of “sending a gunboat to put the damned natives in their place” are well and truly past. Even if we had a gun boat that would get as far as Cherbourg, never mind China.
I have no earthly idea what a broke little place like the Uk is doing interfering in how other countries behave.
That’s for big important counties to do. The days when Britain could afford to be important are long gone.
How others must laugh to see them strutting their stuff on the international stage while everything at home falls to pieces.
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I’ve heard it all now.
Can you point me to an instance where a country was going to go to war but decided they wouldn’t because it might violate Article 2 ECHR?
Let’s not forget, that Russia (in ECHR in 2008) invaded Georgia (still in ECHR) in 2008. Russia (in ECHR in 2014) invaded and bombed Ukraine (still in ECHR) in 2014 and onwards. Russia (in ECHR in early 2022) invaded and bombed Ukraine (still in ECHR) in early 2022 and onwads.
ECHR doesn’t feel like much of a deterrent to anyone who decides to start a war.
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Much as I don’t want to I have to say this, but a few members of my family, solid Yes, S.N.P voters, supporters, believe a lot of this garbage. And since none of them buy/read newspapers, they are not getting it from that source. How then? Well, they still watch B.B.C/S.T.V/Sky News, so however much these avenues of so-called news are a diminishing force, they are apparently still having an effect.
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Had a look at Murphy’s blog on Lineker.
He’s pushing the ebc calling him out for his posting about 1930’s Germany.
The ebc are saying that he has compromised their ‘Impartiality’, wow, they don’t check ebc in Scotland’s output.
Like you, my brother takes in stv, ebc and the recker, I have to try and ask him to look closely at what and why they put things on their platforms.
Yesterday he was on about a house in Portugal , owner by the murren family, I asked him about the house owned by the baillie family in Portugal, it wasn’t mentioned.
At least I have introduced him to the Wee Ginger Dug’s blog as a place to get the other side of indy.
He still quotes the GERS figures even although I’ve asked him where he pays his Vehicle Excise Duty to, where is the fuel duty paid and where his TV tax goes, they don’t appear in the GERS figures.
Impartial? the ebc, don’t make me weep, the chair’s wee loan facility to the johnson fund has gone from the media even although he’s getting gifts from supporters in the £millions.
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All good points, Dave.
As I said. We all have them in our families.
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“A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”
MSM and the new(ish) so called ‘alternate’ rogue channels can lie ,exaggerate and put huge emphasis on non and fabricated issues in their respective broadcasts long before the actual truth, actual insignificance and the actual small (if at all) consequence is ever actually really felt in the way of impact on you and I (public) ……
BUT their modus operandi IS to ensure that the lies, exaggerations and huge misplaced emphasis is broadcast …..any retractions/correction then (forced to be) made (via complaints) may then be MISSED by many viewers who ONLY watched the INITIAL broadcast , which has now been proven to be false and/or insignificant in way of importance/relevance, and thus they as viewers, are then ones who now believe what was FIRST said via the FIRST broadcast……that is THE propaganda that has now been sown .
Not forgetting those viewers already committed to the CAUSE who as believers (gullible) are pretty much cut from the same cloth as the channels they CHOOSE to source their news and information from….this is supposed to be the digital age ….and there is so much alternate news, truth and information to be sourced online yet for some reason many who have access to online sources seem to still want to seek and believe MSM as a trusted and reliable source of news……they have not, as yet, joined the many dots that exposes the partisan alliance some MSM have with political parties…..mainly Tory but some also with Labour.
Ofcom is either muzzled or complicit……..or BOTH. (look to who is selected as their Chairperson(s)…nuff said)
It is woeful how willingly ignorant some people still are and seem to want to be…..but to quote another proverb “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”……and no matter how much you tell people how BAD the MSM is and how it is really an untrustworthy and unreliable source of truth, news and Info (and give them examples too) STILL they quote what they see, hear and read via the MSM as being the actual ONLY real truth out there…..
It is really hard to be someone who suffers depression amidst all of this…….it’s not the media or politicians who depress me further it’s that some people in MY country, Scotland, just do not want to appear to hear or see the real truth in all that is happening (not forgetting those who agree with it all happening)…….what a Bloody world……or do I just feel worse because I feel trapped in this awful UKnotOK……and that some Scots seem to want to continue to be a part of it…..for reasons…reasons that I fail to fathom given how bad the UK is for MY country now and very much so in the future…..and the evidence is very much there to back that up as a FACT.
What is the ***&&%* point.
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The point, I think, NMRN, (even the ***&&%* point) is that we carry on trying to make things better and get rid of what is making all our liveds daily more difficult.
Not easy though, and listening to what was said last night by the three wannabe leaders of the SNP, it’s not going to get easier any time soon.
It’s depressing that so many people in Scotland think that THIS is as good as it gets. I can only assume none of them have been abroad and seen how other people live.
Wish I could cheer you up but… it’s hard to be cheerful at the moment. Getting rid of the Tories at the next election is a slightly cheering thought until you remember that the opposition is not a lot better.
But hey… There’s always Soppy Sunday to look forward to.
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🙂
Have a nice day/evening Tris
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You are really lovely Tris…..thank you….fair cheered me up …..for now that is ….LOL
Nice photo…1959 film A Touch of Larceny…..before my time alas…..how suave he looks and smouldering etc etc ….Bow chicka wow wow……..
🙂
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Well, I’m glad that worked… I’ve added another dose for you in the next post. 🙂
Munguin says he can’t have the readership unhappy.
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It’s not surprising really, Alex.
The only newspaper that really tells something approaching the truth is the FT which is horrifically expensive (and has pages and pages of figures on share prices and stuff most people never read). Not many buy it as a newspaper.
I don’t have a tv. Despite never having been a tv person, I used to have a set that sat in the corner gathering dust, until 2014. I rarely watched I, but sometimes caught the news which I considered (and was proven by a Glasgow University study) to be biased against our movement.
When the licence fee became due I decided to cancel it and dump the tv.
I then listened to Radio 4, but I reckoned that that got more and more biased and Londoncentric. so I stopped.
Now I listen to the World Service, which carries very little English news and no Scottish news.
I do see things on social media though… So, yes, still largely biased media. The BBC, dependent for its income on the English Culture Secretary (and none of the other Culture Secretaries, and chaired and directed by Tory donors) is bound to be a little biased. And of course, set up under Royal Charter, it’s a patriotic organisation, almost by law! And we all know what patriotism is the last refuge of, don’t we?
GB News seems like a retirement home of OAP Tories. Mad Nad, 30p, Jake the 18th century Peg, McVey and Davies. added to Farage. All hard right wingers.
If you watch that sort of thing, perhaps you are bound to come out thinking that Britain can do no wrong and it’s all the ghastly foreigners being against us that causes the problems.
We all have people in the family like the ones you describe. I’m fortunate in that having never liked any of my family except my mum and granny (now both dead), I can happily ignore the rest of them and their racism and ignorance.
So’ happily I’ve no idea what they make of it all.
So don;t worry about saying it. I think most of us have some like that!
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I like the World Service. I particularly like that it has nearly zero news about UK or Scotland!
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I enjoy hearing stuff you would never hear about anywhere else, because to all UK stations, it’s not really relevant.
Last night there was news about what’s happening in Mali and Burkina Faso, for example.
I think the last time I heard any news about the UK was when the old queen died.
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Like you I used to listen to Radio 4 after ditching ebc radio in Scotland.
I now only use R4 for 2 programmes, More or Less and Last Words. These I get on a Sunday evening on the car radio.
LBC has limited interest but O’Brien has an english centric position. Last week he was on the costs of prescriptions for women, failed to say that only englandland charge for prescriptions of the ‘4 countries’.
I’ve found that they re-use phone-in clips in numerous slots and pass them off as currently active, Angus from Fife is a go to for anti SNP input.
The quality of recording tech is so good I now find it hard to detect when it used to be fairly easy.
Propaganda.
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James O’Brien is good but, yes, it’s LBC so it is an English radio station.
That’s amazing that they would used old clips without indicating that they were, in fact, old!
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The ‘Angus from Fife’ one was so easy to pick up on as I heard it on an O’Brien in the morning and Dale used it in the evening when he had an SNP mp on discussing the Nicola resignation, bet she didn’t have any idea that the clip was a repeat.
The subject matter from Angus was that ‘Sturgeon was finished’, SNP bad.
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I wonder if Angus was a Tory or in Fife, if it was in the North, possibly a LibDem?
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This puts it all better than I’ve seen anywhere else:
https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/one-of-those-days
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Excellent read, Nigel. Saved for future use and shared on FB and Twitter.
Thanks.
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A good article, I see on utube the clickbait headlines that are written deliberately in confused language. Like mogg destroys sturgeon on ……
If you click you can find it’s a heavily edited version, I now avoid an American anti Trumpists output, heading today, ‘ trump suffers supreme court defeat, seconds ago, listed 8 hours ago!!!!!.
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I’ve just been banned on Twitter because I said that they way that Charles (read his “wife”) had treated Harry, chucking him out of his home and giving it to his brother, was shocking. (I couldn’t care less about Harry’s home, although he did fork out a lot of money for renovations, but giving it to Andrew was a nonsense. My main point is that it is a utter joke that we provide Airmiles with a home for him and his ex-wife.
I said something about him supporting Nonce Andrew rather than his son and, because that witch is behind most of this, that “I hope it brings down the whole stinking edifice, hopefully on Mrs Parker Bowles’ head”.
So, the moral of the story is, don’t say anything rude about Her Majesty Queen Mrs Parker Bowles if you wish to stay on Twitter.
I’m expecting a visit for the Secret Police any time now.
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What the blank blank blank……OMG Tris
Meanwhile abhorrent tweets via abhorrent tweeters get a free ride to abuse others…… and those that they abuse …well the CURRENT Twitter overlords do not apparently deem them worthy of their protection …..like justifiably suspending or banning those who abuse them.
Trust me I have seen MUCH MUCH worse said on Twitter especially about Prince Nonce-A-Lot and also about other Bigwigs (Royal spongers and too political careerists)….and those responsible for these offensive tweets against them STILL have their Twitter accounts…….
The right wing is taking over everything…..Musk is a T**T (Rhymes with TAT)
#NotMyKing(Or Queenie)
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LOL.
It will do me good to be off Twitter, but yes, I agree, I’ve seen all sorts on there.
And edifice collapsing on people’s heads is a quite normal phrase.
Ho hum…
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I didn’t know twitter was still a functioning service.
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Hmmm, define “functioning”. 🙂
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Dear trispw, before the 4 o’clock in the morning knock on your drawbridge comes, may I say that I have appreciated your good humoured site. A largely sane break from the sh!tness of life in this ‘grate country’. It has been a pleasure. Perhaps we will meet again in Trongate, or wherever they throw us. I have had, and my parents before me a deep seated dislike of all things twisted, rotten and ‘royal’. Hopefully we can ask for the services of solicitors of the decency of Fritz Bauer and Lothar Kreyssig to defend us (a nod to davetewart).
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LOL LOL
Thank you for your kind words Indepedant. Much appreciated and doubtless they will cheer me in the dungeons of the Tower of London with Wrinkles the Goat torturing me by showing me her teeth.
If you get there before me, get the kettle on… I shall secrete about my person a bottle of Munguin’s finest…
à bientôt
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