SO, THE BRITS ARE GONE? CADEAU DE NOËL

Le Royaume-Uni a choisi de quitter l’Union européenne et le marché unique. De renoncer aux droits et avantages d’un État membre. Notre accord ne réplique pas ces droits et avantages. Il fonde un nouveau partenariat, que nous voulons juste et équitable. Michel Barnier.

(The UK has chosen to leave the European Union and the single market. To renounce the rights and benefits of a Member State. Our agreement does not replicate these rights and benefits. It is the foundation of a new partnership, which we want to be fair and equitable.)

Michel Barnier says EU remains 'open' to transition period extension |  Financial Times

From the little I’ve seen, the Tories are crowing that they have got a fantastic deal, which, when you consider that they held all the cards, that there were no downsides to Brexit, and indeed, we would get a better deal OUTSIDE the EU, than within, was frankly, no more than we would have expected.

We were promised that the deal could be done in an afternoon over a cup of tea, but it appears that Johnnie Foreigner didn’t care for tea with milk and sugar and so that afternoon had to be extended to 4 years or so… but hey… what’s a few years between friends.

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So there will be much rejoicing in Downing Street*, and I expect much displeasure from the ERG (I see the wee fat lad is back in charge) that we gave anything away to people who were not British.

*So far I haven’t seen a statement from De Pfeffel, but, given that M Barnier’s statement came out late afternoon, I suspect it may be tomorrow before the PM will be fully … or partially… aware of what’s going on.

So far I’ve noticed these comments on Twitter…

And, of course, it still has to be ratified by all members of the EU, the EU parliament and the UK parliament.

It will be an interesting year.

48 thoughts on “SO, THE BRITS ARE GONE? CADEAU DE NOËL”

    1. Ah Farage was fighting the war…. got it now.

      Anyway, I doubt very much if it is over, but if it is, what exactly is Farage for any more.

      Brexit was his raison d’être.

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  1. I hear that Dross missed a COVID meeting to run the line:

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    Not a thing on @BBCScotlandNews on Douglas Ross missing Covid meeting to run the line at a football match. Nothing, zero, zip.

    Anyone know what that’s about?

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    1. Utterly horrible to hear of both the lack of simple professional qualification recognition and the end of Erasmus. A lot of my classmates went abroad to Europe in our 4th year, it’s such an amazing opportunity for personal and professional growth. Not surprising that the UK’s government wouldn’t regard this as a loss considering they’re such insular idiots. Certainly doesn’t help my plans to escape once I’m done with my PhD.

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      1. I too enjoyed the benefits of studying abroad (Leonardo Da Vinci) and so many of my friends are people I’ve met in Scotland from Poland, France, Hungary, Bulgaria… all studying here.

        I deeply resent not being able to travel freely as an EU citizen and not as a foreigner.

        God only knows where we will get nurses and doctors… and other professionals.

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  2. Excuse me if I’m behind the curve here, but I had trouble keeping track of the details. For a while the controversy was all about NI’s border with the Irish Republic, and the requirements of the good Friday accords. That involved a possible border in the Irish Sea as I recall.

    Then it involved an agreement that was admitted to actually be contrary to international law (if memory serves.) Finally, the controversy seemed to mostly involve fishing rights.

    Anyway, was the Irish border issue settled to everyone’s satisfaction in accord with the Good Friday accords? President Biden and Nancy Pelosi will wish to know.

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      1. I see your point Conan. I suppose that in the USA, it mostly has to satisfy Biden and Pelosi and the Democratic politicos who answer to many Irish-American Democratic voters. With the Dems in charge of trade negotiations, if Boris screws with Ireland, he’ll get a trade deal with the US sometime after hell freezes over. 😉

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    1. Danny. We are all behind the curve her.

      NI border problem was solved when Britain caved… although, as Conan points out, the day that is “solved” will be a red letter day!

      Boris refused absolutely to have a border in the Irish Sea, and then agreed to a border in the Irish Sea, thus giving people in NI many of the benefits of EU membership. They can have EU passports as they are entitled to Irish passports… so their travel will be easy compared with ours.

      Im not entirely sure what agreement they have come to about fishing. But I’m willing to bet that the British fishermen haven’t come out of it well.

      There must be some advantages somewhere… but as of yet… No idea what they are.

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      1. Tris…..Interesting! I assumed that Boris must have more or less caved on the Irish border issue. It sort of disappeared from media reports here when fishing became a big sticking point.

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        1. It was always going to be thus.

          You can’t close the border across Ireland. To do so would break an international treaty and invite trouble between communities who were given to believe that there would be no border. Not to mention hacking off American politicians upon whom they are always so dependent, whether now because of trade, or in the past because the only way that Britain can sound even half way important is by attaching itself to people who actually ARE important.

          But you can’t have an open border between the UK and the EU and at the same time “take back control of your borders…. rather obviously.

          Well, it was to me anyway, but clearly this completely threw Boris and his bunch of snorting morons.

          The only solution was to ditch NI.

          It has de facto remained in the EU… as indeed has Gibraltar.

          So, now all we need is Scotland and Wales to leave and … job done!

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        2. Just as a wee reminder at this point, even with only 8.4% of the UK population (I think that’s about right; call it 1/12th and you still won’t be far wrong), Scotland accounts for about 60% of the UK’s total fish catch.

          So it’s hardly surprising that the Westminster regime won’t let us get within smelling distance of any negotiations on fisheries with anybody.

          If the Government of independent Scotland enlarges the protected marine areas already in force and establishes some new ones, taking the appropriate scientific advice before doing so, I for one will be very pleased. Negotiations with the EU on fisheries when we re-enter may be tricky, bur I’m sure they’ll be easier than between the UK and the EU, as the former are infamously poor and untrustworthy negotiating partners.

          Do I need to mention that independent nations have control over their own resources, including fisheries?

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          1. As always…follow the money…
            “In England nearly 80% of fishing quota is held by foreign owners or domestic Rich List families, and more than half of Northern Ireland’s quota is hoarded onto a single trawler.”

            “More than half (13) of the top 25 quota holders have directors, shareholders, or vessel partners who were convicted of offences in Scotland’s £63m “black fish” scam – a huge, sophisticated fraud that saw trawlermen and fish processors working together to evade quota limits and land 170,000 tonnes of undeclared herring and mackerel”

            https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove

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  3. As expected,the Tories are proclaiming VE day 2.0
    Now the reality of being a small “sovereign” country 30 miles offshore the biggest trading bloc in the world sets in.
    Global trade is going to be in the doldrums for a very long time as everyone recovers from Covid19 so times were going to be hard anyway.
    This insanity will only make matters worse.

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    1. Aye, they’ll be talking about independence celebrations soon… aren’t they going to have some sort of Festival of Brexit?

      The thing is, it’s over, but it’s far from over.

      They have a deeply divided union.

      The Tory party is divided; the Labour party is divided; the UK is divided. And because there is so much at stake, people are angry and are going to continue to be angry.

      It’s not going to go away in a few weeks.

      If come summer we are allowed to travel abroad, out holidays will be more expensive and will be more trouble.

      It’s the gift that will keep giving.

      Suck it up, Brits! You believed people like Johnson, Gove and Farage. LOL LOL LOL.

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      1. I kinda look forward to all those Brexit voters deciding to take their cars over to the Continong and getting turned back because they don’t have green cards for their car insurance and health insurance for themselves.

        Dunno if I’m right about that, perhaps there’s a better-informed Munguinite out there who will tell us?

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        1. I believe that from now on you have to have an international driving licence and separate European insurance to dive in Europe.

          I’m not sure if heath insurance is compulsory, but I bet it’s advised. You’d really not want to have an accident with no way of paying for anything other than basic treatment.

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          1. I didn’t know about the international driving licence; the car insurance used to be covered by the green card system, whereby the insurance company would issue you with a green card on payment of the necessary premiums to cover driving Abroad.

            Health insurance: if you’re applying for a Schengen visa from, say, Kenya or Morocco, you have to prove that you will have health insurance as one of the requirements.

            I hope that all the European countries with ports of entry for Brits become very strict with their entry requirements on a limited subset of people with the surnames Johnson, Cummings, Gove, Hancock, Williamson, Patel … pity they’ll get the diplomatic treatment so long as they’re part of the regime, but afterwards. Yes, put all the most prominent Brexiteers on a list entitled Exclude on the Slightest Excuse.

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            1. At the moment our driving licence is an EU one.

              Recently, they started putting a union flag on them, as well as the EU one. I covered mine with a saltire sticker. (Northern Ireland licences don’t have the hated Jack on them.)

              I guess there was an agreement of some sort about how they looked and what information they held, together with a reader system so that police all over the EEA could read driving history.

              I’m sure Britain will want to go back to having traditional British driving licences, not compliant with EU standards… so it’s back to International Driving Licences.

              I don’t know how much they cost…. around £20, I think.

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  4. On the subject of ratification by all EU member States: I don’t think they’ll do it, but it seems to me that Spain could refuse to ratify unless the UK hands back Gibraltar free and clear.

    And the Irish, if they were being bolshie and got enough heft on their side, could demand reunification as the price. Hell, if the Westminster regime can threaten to break international law by violating the Good Friday Agreement, it would serve them bloody well right for someone to do it back to them.

    And Rockall.

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  5. Merry Christmas morning, Munguinites one and all – wherever you may be – from the Bulgarian branch. And may it be as enjoyable as you’d wish. I fear there will be little good cheer ahead so let’s make the most of it.

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    1. Munguin sends his felicitous greetings to the Bulgarian Branch of Munguin’s Republic.

      He trusts that you, RS and the cats and all the neighbours will have an enjoyable break from the hard slog that is everyday life, searching out suitable funny material for Munguin.

      🙂

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  6. Dear all (Tris,Munguin, Ed and Doug in particular), I am taking this opportunity to wish you Happy Christmas (and the upcoming Hogmanay too). God knows this year cannot end any faster (though I doubt it will get any better in the next, but that’s the pessimistic me talking). The pandemic is just bad everywhere and Malaysia is in the midst of having (1.5-)2.0K daily infections. The only good things is that the numbers remain static-ish.

    Next year is going to be the year Scotland makes or breaks it. I am done with supporting Nicola Sturgeon as FM. As far as I am concerned, she has wasted 4 goddamn years of negotiating and getting absolute f*ck all for Scotland, and we are still out of Europe. I can opine that in the next election, Scotland must vote clearly for a party that explicitly for an indyref. Nothing else. Because nothing else matters anymore. All other issues will serve as white noise only. Failing that can only mean Thatcherite cannibalism of Scottish wealth that would even shame the lady herself. So, all I can ask is for you to vote for the same as I can’t. By God I am just as invested and hopeful in Scottish independence as I was on 18th September. And I cannot wait for all you to taste independence like we did on 31st August 1957.

    Yours forever,

    ABU

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    1. Good to hear from you, Abu! My very best wishes to you too, and Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and happy everything else you feel like celebrating – I operate on the assumption that all holidays and other significant events, astronomical, personal, social and religious, except the sad ones, are good excuse for parties and should be celebrated as such.

      On to other things…

      There will be a referendum next year, of that I am sure. After that, we will need to make a much, much better job of disentangling ourselves from the dysfunctional Westminster regime than the Westminster regime has made of dragging us out of the EU against our will.

      There are some milestones we need to pass first, including the result of the Keating case on Section 30 and the Holyrood elections in May. It will be that parliament which will legislate for the referendum. My money’s on 23 September next year, as that will be the first Thursday after the seven-year anniversary of 18 September 2014. The only reason for holding it after that seven-year anniversary is PR: the Yoons keep quacking about “once in a generation” before a second referendum as if it were some sort of binding commitment, which it never was, but seven years is (I’m sure you know all this) the minimum period between border polls in Ireland set forth in the Good Friday Agreement, and if it’s good enough for the Irish it should bloody well be good enough for us Scots.

      The waiting game is hard I know, but the stramashes and stooshies and calls for the First Minister to get on with it or resign are also signs of the growing public pressure for independence. Keeping the lid on that pressure only makes it build further – and that’s what we need for the final goal to be achieved. So I think the First Minister is playing a long game to ensure success when it comes. The economic pain and the all-round inconvenience of Brexit too will compound the pressure,

      David Cameron’s announcement of EVEL on the steps of 10 Downing Street on 19 September 2014 can be interpreted as the definitive nail in the coffin of Unionism – because what those of us who thought about it realized that it was English Votes for Everyone Else’s Laws as well. With the Tories ignoring, sidelining, disregarding, and gratuitously insulting our democratically elected Government, and us Scots ourselves, that realization is sinking in to even the thickest of skulls.

      The holdouts are the Orange Order bigots in the West of Scotland and those who share their sentiments; far-right extremists, in other words. They can be assimilated to all the other more and less barking right-wing fringe elements out there, Manky Jaicket Man and his ideological brothers and sisters. If they have an equivalent on the far left, there can’t be many of them or I think we’d have noticed.

      So Abu – you shouldn’t have an unbearably long time to wait until you can visit us again in our own, independent country – but you will be just as welcome any time before then! But definitely do try to be here when the historic day arrives. I am sure it will be joyous.

      And that’s what I wish not just you but all Munguinites who’ve taken the time to read this far: joy.

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        1. Thanks, PP! We could all use a spot of joy at the moment, even those of us who haven’t lost someone near and dear to us, and as they say – the more, the merrier.

          Referendums: I am sure the SNP will be able to form a government in May, it’s odds on that they’ll have a majority all on their own (another Unionist propaganda nonsense defeated), that our Parliament will pass the necessary referendum legislation, that it will be an advisory referendum if the Keating case fails, and we can point out that (a) the Brexit referendum was advisory; and (b) it was accepted by the Westminster Parliament even though one of the partners in the Union voted against it. In other words, the Scottish Government is well within its rights to proceed with independence over the English Government’s objections.

          We don’t do nearly enough sauce for the goose argumentation, in my opinion; it is difficult, what with the Westminster Parliament having that jumped-up idea of itself that is incompatible with both devolution and the true nature of the UK as a State: they insist that it’s unitary, whereas large numbers of us peripheral colonial Jockanese types disagree.

          I don’t know what’s got into me this morning. Far too much verbiage. Apologies!

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    2. Many thanks for your good wishes ABU. I share your reservations about the FM and I hope we are both VERY wrong. Best wishes and stay Covid free.

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    3. Hi ABU,

      Nice to see your name come up on Munguin’s Republic again. 🙂

      Horrific though to hear of the number in infections daily in Malaysia.

      Munguin’s strict orders for you and your family to take every care…

      Like a lot of us here, I wish we could get on with independence, but… like Malaysia, we have a heck of a lot of Covid, so it cannot be her only focus. In fact she’s paid to run the country and I think it would damage out movement if she put that responsibility to one side and concentrated on independence.

      However, with the vaccine now being rolled out, I’m hopeful that next year… and in fairness we have been promised it… will see a campaign begin to get us out of this unpleasant isolated country and back into the real world.

      Looking forward to meeting up again as soon as it is safe to travel.

      Give my best to your mum, dad and sister.

      Tris

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  7. On the subject of appendages, I look forward to the day when independent Scotland is back in the EU because then, like Ireland now, we will be far more likely to be the tail that wags the English dog.

    I recall that back in 2014 some of the Project Fear people would say not only that an independent Scotland would be bootée hors de l’Union européenne, but we would have to join the back of a non-existent queue behind – not Northern Macedonia or Albania, I think that’s been since then, but, oh, Croatia and Serbia or something, before we could get back in and Spain would veto our re-entry even if we applied, and l’Angleterre might do too, and we wouldn’t be able to trade with England our largest market, and so on and so forth. Cameron even got one of his nasty little pals from the Partido Popular – which is part of the far-right grouping of parliamentarians in the European Parliament which the UK Tories were part of, because they were far too far right for the centre-right European parties there – where was I? Yes, Cameron got that heir of Franco guy to say Spain would veto Scotland’s re-entry – another lie, of course.

    Well, They aren’t going to be able to threaten us with the EU any more, are they? Even if l’Albion perfide changes its mind and wants back in anytime soon, they’re not going to be welcome, whatever the polite diplomatic noises the Europeans are making currently to the effect of haste ye back – or rather, England under the current Tory Westminster regime would not be welcome, nor any other Tory regime after it unless the leopard truly changes its spots. Which I think we all know ain’t gonna happen anytime soon now that the lunatics really are in charge of the asylum and the reins of power are going to have to be pried from their cold, dead hands.

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    1. Yes. All that seems true . If England did want to re-join it would probably be on far worse terms than previously it enjoyed.

      Frankly I doubt if it will for a very long time.

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