Because:
No, we do not hold all the cards, Mr Gove. What a moronic thing to say. Even “most” of the cards is very silly, Mr Redwood. (Sing us the Welsh National Anthem, go on, Munguin dares you…);
There will be downsides to it, Mr Davis. There are, to be fair, downsides to everything, but this is a doozie;
Nope, it will not be the easiest trade deal in history, *DOCTOR* Fox. How on earth could even you be that stupid?;
No, it won’t be better than the deal we currently have. How could it be? Which idiot proposed that? That’s plain daft, Mr Carswell.
Absolutely, the deal hasn’t been completed in one afternoon over a cup of tea, Mr Batten (remember him, he was the leader of UKIP for… oh, well over 20 minutes). Indeed, only today, Michel Barnier has said that there is an impasse and that No Deal sounds more and more likely to be the outcome;
No, the Commonwealth countries, which one of you promised would come running to the mother county’s aid (second empire?), looking for a trade deal, have thus far not been desperately keen. As Mr Lammy said, India will do a trade deal, but they want visas for students in return;
No, you’re unlikely to be able to secure a better trade deal with any country than you had with the EU, because, to borrow a phrase, size matters, and 60 million is smaller than 460 million and growing;
And, the Financial Times has apparently reported that there is no chance of a deal with the USA before the end of the year… oh dear, Mrs Truss, you promised us a deal by the summer, which, despite the weather, it now is.
Oh, bother, said Pooh, we should have got Wol or Rabbit to do the negotiations!
And so far, it seems we have spent more money on Brexit than we paid into the EU in 40 years, so kiss goodbye to £350 million a week for the NHS (which was always a lie anyway). And that’s before we have built all the customs posts, and employed all the customs clerks, set up our own systems to replace all the ones run from Brussels, negotiated deals with farmers, universities, science, social fund, development, etc.
Oh, and I don’t know about you, but I’m really glad I don’t live in Ashford;
And, quite apart from the passport control queues that you never mentioned, it seems that holidays will be more expensive because we’ll need to have health insurance and, if we intend to drive, an international driving licence and international insurance. It’s strange but I just can’t imagine arriving in France and feeling like a foreigner;
And then there is Northern Ireland. Some bright spark thought that you could avoid an EU border in Ireland whilst taking back control of your borders. But you can’t, at the same time, take back control of your borders and not take back control of your borders. Even the great British Empire can’t manage that. So you have now more or less lost Northern Ireland and the UK is starting to crumble (boo hoo).
I’m sure there are additions to that list. I can’t have remembered of every lie you told us, however, I’m sure our faithful Munguinites will remind me of those I’ve missed.
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I couldn’t resist this, and this:
Do come again next week.
MUNGUIN'S NEW REPUBLIC 
Yes we’ll all fine and dandy
But to overcome all these
Supposed obstacles one only
Need to wave the union
Flag and all will be well.
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That’s a comforting thought, Niko.
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It’ll have to be a huge one.
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There’s no such thing as a small union flag. They wouldn’t DARE! 🙂
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Fascinating insight. Thank you.
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They have taken a few liberties there though, y’know, like including countries that aren’t in and excluding countries that are!
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Good interview here with Prof Sir Geoff Palmer on C4 news re Scottish indy and a bit about its role in slavery too.
https://www.channel4.com/news/professor-sir-geoff-palmer-compares-scottish-independence-with-independence-of-former-british-colonies
Geoff is a good guy. Here is an interview he gave on the Alex Salmond show. I thought I’d never heard of him but he tells a story about an interview he went to with a future Thatcherite MP which I HAD heard about. Also a sad wee story about two wee boys who had obviously learned racism at home.
Beer drinkers will love him – he invented a process that made beer cheaper!
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On my way to get a 4 month overdue haircut, PP. Will look when my head is a Kilo lighter. 😜😜
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Did you have a local or general anesthetic?
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Took 2 strong dudes to hold me down… but I cam through it and here I am, looking like a shorn sheep.
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An impressive interview. And a pretty impressive man.
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Isn’t he just. I think we are lucky that he has chosen to stay in Scotland after his retirement. Very good speaker too.
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Yeah good stuff.
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Wee bit of history,
Tomorrow is the anniversary of the crossing of the’ english’ channel by Louis Bleriot by aircraft.
Not only the first aircraft to cross La Manche but the first International flight, July 25 1909.
He was greeted by happy english people, sad to say tomorrow he would be met by the aggressive brexiteers requiring him to be returned forthwith to France.
Amazing the cost of the the maybot experience trip for doris, he came by aircraft, the cavalcade by ferry.
A drive up from London to Scrabster, the ferry crossing and the return, are they back in London yet.
The Baxter family business is canned.
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I have boycotted Baxter’s products since Audrey Baxter came out against independence in 2014. She’s entitled to her opinions but she spoke as the head of the company.
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Likewise,
Don’t use their products If under the Baxter’s brand name.
Much like our paper media, why would you ignore 50% of the population and expect them to buy your product.
An old businessman told me long ago, Business and politics are best kept quiet and to yourself.
Had a look at the Orkney visit and it now looks like the cavalcade was flown up to Kirkwall by the RAF, cars and all.
Not a mention that it was a waste of effort and money.
If englandland is 10 times bigger than Scotland why did doris only give the same money as,
too wee, too poor Scotland, Surely ten times more than SG would be fair.
Forgot it’s only our own we are getting back. What looks like charity is just doris picking your pocket.
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I think that you’re 100% right. Businesses shouldn’t advertise their politics; nor should tv personalities, “stars”, pop singers, ect.
Unless of course, they are prepared to accept that they may put as many people off as they encourage.
That’s a risk they take. In a population that is relatively evenly split, alienating 50% of your potential custom is probably not a good idea.
As I said, when it comes to Baxters, I don’t like their product and it is overpriced.
You can get soup that, in my opinion, is better and tastier in Aldi, for a third of the price.
All the reports yesterday were of this money that the UK government has given the islands… (the northern and western islands). But we note that Mr Johnson didn’t go to Na h-Eileanan Siar for his photo-op. Would that be because it is SNP? It was portrayed as a gift of the Brits… but, you know, we pay taxes in Scotland. They didn’t mention the Scottish government has given taxpayers’ money to island communities too.
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Yes, I’ve never been a fan of Baxter’s products. Long before I knew anything about their politics I found that they were not particularly good, and massively overpriced.
If I liked them, I suppose I would buy them regardless of politics, but there are far better and vastly cheaper version of a lot of their products. In England the prime ministerial approval might sway people towards them. In Scotland, doubtful.
And you are right, it’s a shame that Britain has become so insular.
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I understand that a trade deal with Australia will only come after the US trade deal because the Aussies want to sell us hormone – enhanced beef.
Btw, Baxter’s were James Robertson Justice’s neighbours “across the firth” ie 54 miles away as the crow flies ! (Spinningdale ro Fochabers). I used to be very friendly with some neighbours I had in Kirkcaldy and indeed I still enjoy seeing lights from my neighbouring football club Raith Rovers. Isn’t East Lothian great ?
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Terry told me:
In July 2021, the Trade Promotion Authority expires. After that, the negotiation is direct with Congress.
Congress has a spectacularly high rate of failure at FTAs because it is impossible to negotiate with 400 representatives who all have their own red lines.
So it is maybe not entirely over, but summer is (supposedly) upon us and nothing much happens for August and a bit of September, so trying to get a deal signed up by 31 December is unlikely.
America will get away with whatever it wants on the trade deal because …as we said… in trade size counts, and of course, alone in the world, the UK is in no position to argue, even if it had the ability.
I rather like James Robertson Justice.
East Lothian is, indeed, great.
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Tris
Brexit will be a disaster for many, many voted out of prejudice and ignorance but many also voted leave out of frustration with the many issues that the EU fails to solve and will do nothing about, and haven’t for years. The budget not being signed off, the levels of fraud by member states, the lack of support around rights for democratic movements in EU countries, MEP expenses, the final crash and blackmail of member states. There is a long list of reasons why many voted to leave and a long list of reasons why many voted to remain. It is a sad reflection on our lack of democracy in this country that we could not have an honest and reasoned debate on the issue of the EU and it became an ignorant debate around race and stealing jobs, none of which were true but suited the narrative of the bigots and racists in all parties but more so Labour and the Tories. The EU also failed to take on board reasonable concerns like the ones listed above, add in their involvement in the independence referendum you can see why some voters in Scotland who really considered their leave vote decided they didn’t want to be a part of that union either, I am one of them and favour membership of EFTA more than anything else. The English Governments miss handling of this whole issue should help convince more people of the need to leave the UK and to forge our path and a future referendum on membership of the EU at the appropriate time. A vote to leave the EU was a valid vote if it was a considered vote but I don’t think leave would have won if it had been an honest referendum but I also believe that we would not even be anywhere near another referendum about Scottish independence without that leave vote. There is going to be pain, that pain might not lead to Scottish independence and could bring down this English Government to be replaced by a Starmer slightly less Tory English Government and we are no where further on for a few years but whatever happens it did demonstrate the need for Scotland to be an independent country again in it’s own right.
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Yes, Bruce there are many things wrong with the EU, as there are with every authority, from Community Councils all the way up to the United Nations general assembly. It’s the nature of government, and the bigger the authority, the more scope there is for corruption and inefficiency.
Without a shadow of doubt the EU needs to change, but so do all its governments… indeed all governments.
The thing is that they probably won’t.
But imperfect though it is, membership of it was a boon to every country that it comprises.
We were sold a pile of lies which, unfortunately, the press failed to question deeply enough. Things like holding all the cards were so plainly obviously a pile of utter garbage, I’m astounded that no one pulled Gove and his likes up on it.
We are, though, where we are.
I suspect that in a few years time Britain will apply to rejoin the EU. It will probably be accepted, but without any of the get outs that it had, and without the massive rebate in costs that Mrs Thatcher negotiated, and then Mr Blair renegotiated.
I have thought about EFTA or EEA.
It seems to me though, that although they pay into the EU budget, they have a very limited say in how that budget is used, although clearly there are some consultations. They have no vote on the council and no veto, but they have to obey the laws of the four freedoms.
The membership is small and very rich, so it is not an issue to them that very little EU money goes their way. No agricultural grants; little development money, etc… but, as some farmers in Norway said on a BBC programme…we don’t need them. Our government is rich enough to pay our grants.
Obviously EFTA/EEA has said it would not accept Britain into its club, as the UK would have 5 times the population of existing members and would throw its weight about and demand its way in everything.
But it’s fair to say that Scotland might be acceptable.
However, it is worth noting that in most matters,, EEA/EFTA countries are obliged to follow EU directives, and like EU members, the four freedoms are not divisible.
It is a possible future though.
I’d be interested to know what others think about that.
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Personally, I favour full membership of the E.U, despite all its faults. Better to be inside the tent as they say.
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In the end, I think it would be best for us.
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Tris
I accept what you are saying and agree with most of it but there are tensions in the EU especially around the budget with a two tier EU looking more likely as time goes on. Grants are now loans due to many in France and Germany challenging their own contributions. Will the EU stay in its present form or regress. I think there will be a push for a European super stage or it will regress as it can’t go on the way it is but the you’re correct the whole world has problems and things need to change.
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I’ve no doubt at all that it will change and maybe even become a two tier organisation with different levels of membership.
I would not be surprised if Putin were stirring up tensions and we know that Trump thinks Brexit ios wonderful and while he was briefly in love with Macron (just before Macron droppen him and he had his brief dalliance with Little Rocket Man) he tried and failed to get France to Frexit.
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Tris,
Well I don’t think this:
“I suspect that in a few years time Britain will apply to rejoin the EU. It will probably be accepted, but without any of the get outs that it had, and without the massive rebate in costs that Mrs Thatcher negotiated, and then Mr Blair renegotiated.”
I trust that Scotland will have already re-joined the EU, and will have a voice. It may be negative to England rejoining. I do not think that would, necessarily, be a minority position. What have they to gain? England appears to hate Europe. Apparently, Scotland does not.
England does not hold every card in the pack.
Vindictive?
Moi?
Yes.
England deserves to be treated as an unconvincing shower of racists. Which they jolly were are.
I trust, and hope, we are somewhat better.
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You could be right, Douglas.
It would only take one country to veto RUK’s re-entry and that would be over.
LOL I doubt that Scotland would do that, but some might. Remember, for a very long time France vetoed the Uk joining on the basis (correctly, as it happens) that Britain was not a team player and would want everything done its way.
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From an article in the express!!!!
David Coburn, ex MEP, says
The SNP have bankrupted the nation.
‘They have left us in a very perilous economic position’.
Remind me again, Who controls the Bank of England?
Ah, that badd SNP mob must do as this ex MEP, BNP, brexiteer tells me they’ve done this.
Ah the parallel universe of the onionists, that Moray mp says much the same.
Now the doris repeats along with the nutters that live with him.
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Dear Lord, the dear old Express becomes more comical by the Day.
Even Nigel Farage wouldn’t have Coburn in his new party, and god knows he had nutters like Widdecombe!
Daily Express readers will lap it up, I expect, but there can’t be that many of them.
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If you assume that everything Johnson and his cabal say is a lie,you won’t be far off the mark.
Where is HM Press in exposing these chancers?
The function of our “free” press has been corrupted by a cartel of wealthy owners who control the message in a similar way to authoritanian states.
Thatcher paved the way for corruption in public life being openly seen as the norm which was a good fit for a British state already long established in it’s customs of secrecy,stealth,lies and deceit.
All of these attributes were required in order to run a global empire but not a wee country like England.
Time for a clear out.
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I think newspapers have always had opinions which were expressed in their “leadr” columns. But, news was news.
Of course some of it had a slant, but by and large, it was news.
Newspapers are dying and becoming desperate for readers. Most seem to have abandoned any kind of neutrality in their reporting.
I think the only paper you can really trust in the UK is the Financial Times. It can’t afford to tell it the way it isn’t. People look to it for facts. Get these facts wrong and people could lose a lot of money!
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James Robertson Justice entertained his guests with lavish orgies (food,drink and the rest), and was happy for staff to ‘join in’ with the bacchanalia/saturnalia. He seemed well liked in the area. I liked his character Dr. Maclaren in Whisky Galore.
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I liked him in the Doctor films,a dn in the original Vice Versa with Tony Newley and a very very young Pet Clark. But I think he was pretty good in everything.
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Good piece here from Kenny McAskill in the Scotsman – archived so no clicks or paywall.
https://archive.vn/kSCkw
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Tris,
I used to buy the Financial Times, on the ridiculous precept it would make me rich.
It didn’t.
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Oh… and there was me thinking you were rich, Douglas,
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https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/a-new-start-built-on-old-lies.html
Brenda sent me this gloomy look at the near future.
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It is a tad gloomy, though not a surprise.
Notification has gone to the army to be ready and prepared for this winter onwards. The government said there were four reasons, for preparedness, but only mentioned three, a second Covid wave, a flu outbreak and flood defence in England. Could the missing fourth reason be the reactions of the English public to the reality quickened realisation to the con, that brexit is?
The blog by Prof. Chris Grey gives hint that the public’s awareness, of the shit show to come, has to be self taught due to lack of governance. The government’s hands were tied by the lies of brexit (no down side, all sunny uplands), to fully prepare the public would have exposed the lies and shown what a crappy, self harming idea brexit is.
My mood, whilst not dismal is not cheery either, I woud not be holding onto insurance company shares. Is that a shepherd’s sunrise I see or the shopping centre on fire?
On the bright side the extra heat might bring on some early crocus and daffs, which will be nice.
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It’s not a happy immediate future, but hopefully it will concentrate Scottish minds. Another 4 years of this, or and attempt to make a better show of it.
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Dunno where the rest of that comment went John lad.
Hope your OK mate.
Miss you.
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Trump appearing even more unhinged than normal.
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For PP:
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