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1,350 elderly people in hospital were sent to Care Homes before mandatory testing for Covid was introduced. Around 2,000 Care Home residents have tragically died since.



Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

This thread is a good read.


33 thoughts on “CARE HOMES”

  1. It might be a great idea to nationalise every care home in the land? The idea that end of life care is a ‘nice little earner’ for some folk is, frankly, despicable.

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    1. Totally agree, and when Ruh Davidson tweeted smugly about the record in Scotland (neglecting to mention the record in England, I pointed out that it was the best reason I’d heard for taking them into public ownership.

      She did not reply.

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        1. I wondered if the Scottish government could do anything, but given that it was, I think, the Labour governments of Blair and whoever it was in Scotland at that time, that sold them off maybe it was a UK-wide deal.


  2. I remember when the snp forever mantra was oil oil more oil our oil mccrone report add infinitum.

    But now North Sea crude is selling at half a bawbee a quart.

    Now The snp and minions Oil wot oil it was. never predicated on Oor !Oil just a bonus on being free from the tyranny of Westmonster

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    1. Brent crude, the oil below the north sea, is $4o a barrel.
      And it was always bonus, it would have been a bigger bonus for the whole if the UK if Westminster hadn’t pissed it against the wall.
      By the way Norways oil fund sits around the £800 Billion mark, Scotland’s /UK’s sits around the hee-haw mark.

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    2. You really need to keep up niko.
      Scotland is now a country that has excess green energy,wind,solar,tidal and hydro.
      So much we export it to your neglandland,that place that’s running out of drinking water.
      Checkout the St Clair fields, west of Shetland for natural gas which during last winter was supplying a third of the uk’s demand.
      Time moves on.

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      1. Niko has just realised that he hasn’t done his impersonation of Richard Leopard, Jackson Carpark and that we blokey from Fife put together for a while…

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      2. Oh yes… west of Shetland… Dave, aren’t those the fields that back in 2014 Bitter Together said weren’t there and were all a lie and the oil was all running out anyway?

        Ackshly, I think we should stop exporting that gas south of the border, just to help them reduce their carbon footprint, you understand.

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    3. But Niko, you seem to be forgetting that for as long as the SNP has been in government in Scotland they have been working really hard to make energy green.

      The main point that the SNP has made over oil is that Norway took its oil money, and divided it between making life very very good for Norwegians, ensuring pensions are paid up for everyone, and investing massive sums of money so that when the boom in oil was over, as everyone know it would be one day, they wouldn’t need the oil.

      Whereas the Brits spent it on wars and weapons and are now having to pay France and China to build nuclear power stations.

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    4. It’s just a jolly good job the oil was there to let that nice Mrs Thatcher pay unemployment benefit to all those lazy scroungers that were on the dole while she closed down all our outdated rubbish industry instead of modernising it. And as for the bloody Unions, well don’t get me started. She needed that oil revenue to put their gas at a peep (no pun intended so no groans please) because they were getting too bolshie by half. She put the power back in the hands of proper, educated, rich people not them plebs that were striking all the time because they didn’t want to do any work.

      It’s a good job folk in Scotland were too wee, poor and stupid to manage their own affairs eh Niko? Imagine the mess we would’ve made.

      Next, London’s infrastructure, and how it was funded…………..

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      1. Yes, Thatcher’s policies to close heavy industry was worthy of a double first at Oxford mind.

        And replacing the factories, mines, shipyards, foundries steel pants and refractories with office jobs was a stroke of genius, wasn’t it.

        It showed these trades unions a thing or two. And goodness me, these miners were a dab hand at call centre work.

        That was what she originally used the money for. The later on for wars. Her Major, Blair and Brown. Certainly made the world look up to Britain that it was there on every occasion America told us to be…. George HW, Bill, George W and Obama.

        If only Britain had had the wisdom of Germany, who managed the build the economy without any oil. And if only Scotland had been free to follow the Norwegian way.

        Imagine how bloody rich we would all be now.

        Oh yes, let’s have the story of CrossRail, Sewers, and all the other stuff that they had to build in London to cope with the influx of yuppydom.

        And even with all that the place is falling to pieces.

        When you think about it, not only did Germany manage to do all it did without any oil, it then took 30 million impoverished East Germans on board. Damn me, if Chancellor Merkel wasn’t one of them.

        But hey ho!

        Rule Britannia, Britannia waves the rules, Britons really really really are just fools.

        Altogether now… one more time

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        1. Lol. I was going to mention Germany in my post Dammit but thought I’d better keep it short because I’ve posted War and Peace further on. 🙄

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  3. Back to care homes,
    See the data from englandland care homes is starting to appear,the big one from sunderland is 27 deaths in an HC-1 care home,where have we heard that company from.
    Breaking news is the 20% failure rate on tests carried out early March and the mixing of tests and tests sent out, very difficult now to make sense of the data, probably to get the targets met by any means, very reminiscent of the old Kremlin losing 2025’s election results in 1999.
    I’m sure the Hong Kong thing is to forget the second cummings.

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    1. If you are paying through the nose for end of life care, you would imagine, heavens! that the very least that they could do for you is keep you safe.

      There certainly does need to be an investigation into care homes. It should concentrate on their willingness to accept COVID-19 patients when they were obviously incapable of looking after them. Did they give guarantees to the Scottish Government, or what was said?

      I think we ought to know?

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      1. That is a VERY good point, Douglas.

        Why did they accept them?

        Because they or the council were paying makinbg pots of money for the owners and shareholders and sod the minimum wage staff and otehr clients.

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        1. Well, that was sort of my thesis. I think that their willingness to take folk in was based not on an ability to do so, but on a profit motive. They had no idea how tough it was going to be. The direction of arguement ought to be towards them, rather than otherwise. Private care homes are the pits. As a mere idea.

          Least that is what I think.

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          1. some excellent comments Douglas. Appalling how many of these private care homes cost a fortune but can’t pay or equip staff properly. Nonetheless they manage to pay out dividends to their shareholders whilst registering in tax havens and not paying Scottish or UK taxes. Funny that. (Not funny!)

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            1. After the last catastrophe with them when they went broke and had to be bailed out by taxpayers’ money, I can’t understand why they were not taken back into public ownership. Particularly as they got themselves into the situation out of sheer greed and lack of mangment capability.


      2. Douglas: I was looking for this answer a couple of weeks ago, vis. the requirements of a care home when accepting new residents.
        It is part of the license agreement of the care home, the care home must have trained staff, staff capacity and space to care for the new resident, isolated from other residents.

        I wanted to check what was in place as Covid 19 was starting, I’ll go back and have a look again, to make certain and post it. It was in ScotGov site.

        The difference in death rates between the private and public care homes is stark. Could this be anything to do with one of them being answerable to the shareholders?

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  4. Perhaps we will see a defence, or take down, of this discussion via some obscure law that says – “not for you, little people”.

    I am no lawyer, but I do not think that either your comments nor mine are infractions of “free speech”.

    Which ought to be defence enough.

    I should not even be thinking this way!


  5. Please someone with more up to date knowledge than I, feel free to put me right here, but I have some past experience professionally regarding placing folk in care homes, and also personally with my own mother.

    The situation that I encountered was that council care homes wouldn’t touch any potential client that had what were termed ‘nursing care needs’. They might develop them later but that’s another story. This meant they hoovered up the more able folk and left the sharp end ie. the less able and more vulnerable to the private sector. Add to this that council care home staff by and large kept their wages, terms and conditions, including 6 months full waged sick pay then 6 months half pay topped up with statutory sick pay, 6 weeks holiday a year after 5 years service, pension etc.. let’s not forget better training also. I know all that has been under pressure for a while and is gradually being eroded. Councils for a number of years though have generally been maintaining said conditions for their own staff while actively financially squeezing the Voluntary/Private Sector who rely on them in the main for their funding. Hence minimum wage which at least in the voluntary sector never used to be the norm, but is now. A brief summary of the situation being that the better paid, better trained staff look after the more able less vulnerable people. Please don’t confuse this with ‘better more able staff’ because that doesn’t necessarily follow.

    Please don’t get me wrong, I firmly believe everyone should by right have decent working conditions and am by no means one of the idiotic race to the bottom types. What I’m saying is if current figures are showing a difference between private and council run? They bloody well should be!

    The system is wrong and to some extent incentivises low ethical standards. If for example a council funded resident of a privately run care home is in hospital for over 2 weeks they generally lose their place there. If the person recovers they may in theory have to be re-homed and become a bed blocker which in itself creates a financial pressure to send them back before 2 weeks are up.

    The whole concept of private, run for profit care is wrong. I was one of the chorus of individuals in councils many years ago, who were quite vociferous that care and profit are dangerous bedfellows, that it (we couldn’t foresee Covid 19 of course), would all come home to roost and that people would eventually suffer. These voices were swiftly quietened by ambitious senior managers who decided questioning as a development tool for the health of the organisation was no longer required. Compliance henceforth being the new normal. You can’t make unpopular changes with just anybody putting in their tuppence worth now, can you? These senior managers were of course answerable to politicians who in a deteriorating budget situation didn’t like to hear bad news. Career prospects therefore improved if they didn’t get any. Dissent in the lower ranks was punished with marginalisation and many folk became disillusioned and demotivated and ended up just playing the game. I’m not judging here, I’m just telling it how I saw it. It’s a personal view and therefore up for argument.

    It’s important to remember through all this that staff in private homes are by and large doing a good job despite their employers. I could only very rarely fault the care my mother received where she stayed until she died.

    Things go in cycles if you wait long enough but all this illustrates is that humanity rarely learns long term lessons. The middle ground has a short shelf life while we lurch with varying speeds to each of the extremes in between.

    It’s just a pity that it takes a pandemic for Joe Public to take an interest because to quote the bleeding obvious, it’s in all our interests, because many of us will get old someday.

    If you’ve managed to stick around till the end of this, then Apologies for the length of that rant, but much as I hate the concept of individuals owning care services, they aren’t always completely to blame. Just a lot of the time.

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  6. grieg12:

    “The whole concept of private, run for profit care is wrong. I was one of the chorus of individuals in councils many years ago, who were quite vociferous that care and profit are dangerous bedfellows, that it (we couldn’t foresee Covid 19 of course), would all come home to roost and that people would eventually suffer.”

    Thanks for that.

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