NO SURRENDER… LOL

SEEMS THAT THERE IS… ERM… ‘WIDESPREAD’ OBJECTION TO THE IRISH LANGUAGE ACT!

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Seven.. and they couldn’t even muster up a dog to come with them.  Rule Brittania, eh?
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Have you muppets any idea what kind of money you need to fund your health service?

It is estimated that the initial cost of the Irish Language Act would be around £8.5 million (estimates vary) and that its administration would thereafter cost around £2 a year.

It’s a good deal of money by anyone’s standards, but the North Irish Health Service (like all the others in the UK, is short of billions of pounds a year.

So, it really isn’t an either-or situation. And, if this is what is keeping the assembly from being up and running… ye gads, are you people mad?

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Practising to be Mr Trump?

Oh wait, it’s the DUP, so that’s a yes.

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Please God, let them stop abortions and all this same-sex marriage stuff, in the name of the Rev. Ian Paisley

82 thoughts on “NO SURRENDER… LOL”

    1. I wonder if he realised that that same Mrs Thatcher was Her Majesty’s Principal Minister? And that she also said ‘No, No, No’ to the EU.

      Life’s complicated.

      And what has Arlene got on her head?

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      1. It was a tinfoil hat disguised as a tea cosy. Obviously. It was purified with Holy Water and blessed by the Pope [Are you sure about this? – Ed.] so it would prevent contamination of the thought processes by such new-fangled ideas as common humanity, common sense, a sense of shared identity, a willingness to compromise, and the notion that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. It was also designed to block the eldritch Catholic radiations from Gerry Adams which made her keep wanting to run her fingers through his beard [Are you sure about that? – Ed.]

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      1. That’s what I like about this site. I actually know why I don’t know what folk are talking about.

        Unlike attempts at communication with Canadians. (Especially out west)

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          1. Can’t speak for Irish Gaelic, but the ‘agus’ (and) doesn’t make sense in the Scottish variety. It would be ‘gus’ (until). Typo by the Norn Iron signwriters? Maybe there’s a Munguinite le Gaidhlig Eireannach who can enlighten us?

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              1. Any Irish speakers?

                Actually one of my neighbours is from Galway. She speaks pretty fluent Irish. I’ll ask her about the use of “agus” for ‘while’. Next time I see her.

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              2. Interesting blog btw. Thanks for the introduction. Railway enthusiasts might like to take a look. Some articles in Gaelic, but there was an automatic translation option on the blog.

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              3. Hi – yes, “agus” does mean “and” here. It is an idiom in Irish Gaelic to mean while (Don’t open the door and the train moving). It also exists in Scottish Gaelic, especially in high register writing but isn’t as widely know in Scotland. I’d certainly use it in my translations through.

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            1. Yes, I thought that too. But I checked on Google Translate and here is what they give:

              Ná doras a oscailt agus an traein ag gluaiseacht

              So surprisingly, the “agus” seems to be right.

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        1. LOL… Well, there had to be a reason.

          Tell us more about the Canadian accent though. I’m interested. I’ve not heard that many Canadians, although French in Canada is really hard to understand (for me anyway).

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          1. Canadian French wasn’t so terribly difficult for me because I spent my year as an English assistant (yeah, I know) in the south-west of France, where the local accent is quite different from Parisian, and more like Québecois, really. Then I had some French-Canadian colleagues in New York. Having the TV on in my hotel room in Montreal when I was over there for conferences helped too – having the TV or radio on helps get your ear accustomed, even if you’re not necessarily paying conscious attention and it’s just background noise – analysing speech sounds is a process that takes place below the conscious level. I’ve been trying the same thing with Portuguese Portuguese recently, by listening to fado and snippets of the Portuguese news. It really does help; the Brazilian Portuguese I absorbed initially is far easier to decode phonologically. I expect I should do the same with Gaelic, but I’d have to listen to BBC Radio Alba to do it.

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            1. Yes, I noticed a distinct similarity between SW French and Québecois. It’s quite attractive in a way.

              I love Acadian music from the French speaking provinces.. This guy is superb.

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              1. Nice! I hadn’t come across the word “ouère” before, but I know now that it has to do with ouïr (cf. Oyez! Oyez! for our non-French-speaking friends): it’s a forum, a place to and hear and be heard. Good word. It’s not used in Hexagonal French, as far as I can tell.

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                1. I asked Laurie what it meant. Here’s his reply:

                  Laurie LeBlanc

                  Hi Tristan, The word “ouere” is an old Acadian Word; in the phrase “Donne-moi ouere” it would mean “just give me”.

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                  1. Interesting! I didn’t come across that meaning. Here’s an example which shows the meaning I found: https://is.gd/u6Awa5, page title “Le Grand parle-ouère : le forum populaire du Congrès Mondial Acadien 2019”.

                    Unfortunately it’s not showing in any of the dictionaries I’ve looked in so far – by the way, if you need some advanced terminology in French I can recommend le grand dictionnaire terminologique put out by the Office québécois de la langue française on http://www.granddictionnaire.com. Strangely, though, it doesn’t have a user interface in English. Odd, eh?

                    I love Montreal, but the winters are brutal and the summers are short.

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  1. Ray: Re your post on the last article.

    I discovered that what I put up has been deleted. I’ve now removed it and the article, from the site.

    I dunno about Bruce’s piece. I’ll go look

    Sorry about that.

    Tris

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  2. Surely the unionists in NI must have realised by now that England’s Tories see nothing of value to them in the province and have decided to get rid of them.
    I feel sorry for them in a way because it seems that no one else wants them either,including the republic.
    So,who are they at war with and for what purpose?
    Scottish unionists are much the same with their hatred of gaelic and anything else which threatens their Anglo identity.
    Hopefully soon they will be history along with their Irish fellow travellers but since England’s Tories see much of value to them in Scotland it may take a bit longer.

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    1. I don’t understand the hostility to a language which is traditional to an area. Yep everyone, or almost everyone speaks English in Wales, Scotland and NI, but the culture of these countries (or parts of them) is tied up with language.

      It can’t be the cost, which is tiny, (they don;t seem to object to paying for a royal family that rarely goes anywhere near them, or a train line that will NEVER go anywhere near them) so it has to boil down to an utter hared of anything which isn’t English. Fair enough. They should just admit that.

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      1. I think it was because it was/would be being spoken in Stormont.
        Therefore the Unionist politicians would have to learn it or not know what was being said,or need to hire a speaker to translate…
        Even if only English was “officially ” spoken across their chamber conversations between members would be unintelligible to the English only speakers!
        Pretty much the same reason it was banned in Scotland way back when..
        The English wanted to understand what was being said but not to learn language!

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        1. Point taken, Liz, but I wonder if they realise that in the EU parliament all languages can be spoken and translations can be done simultaneously.

          Nah, they probably don’t LOL.

          Even in the UK parliament, people can take their vow (to Liz) in any native language of the UK, although because it is still in the 17th century, there is no facility for simultaneous translation.

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        2. We have facilities for (technical term) conference interpreting in the Scottish Parliament. However, I don’t think they’re serious enough about it: people shouldn’t have to give a couple of weeks’ advance notice if they intend to speak in Gaelic or Scots. In other words, the Scottish Parliament needs a full-time team or teams of interpreters which would, of course, cost money. We can imagine the howls of indignation from the assembled gammon and other assorted Yoonery at the thought – the ones who think Gaelic road signs cause accidents and Gaelic place names at railway stations are an SNP plot to undermine the Union would get so very wonderfully aerated. Might be fun to watch, actually.

          With my professional background at the UN, I am very used to the idea of interpreting and translation; that’s why I say we have to have it available at all times unless there’s an explicit decision to conduct a meeting only in English. Having to summon interpreters from an outside agency a couple of weeks in advance for languages other than English is very far from equal respect and equal treatment: none of the countries which did not use either English or French (the working languages at the UN) would have stood for it, and neither the English- nor the French- speakers would have tolerated an absence of interpretation either. When mistakes and technical problems intervened to silence the interpreters on one or another or all channels, delegates would start shouting and the Chairman or President would either suspend the meeting until the problem was fixed, or ask for a vote on whether to continue the meeting in English only or French only.

          For those as are interested, here’s the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body’s language policy: https://is.gd/I21UZU.

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  3. trispw,

    “or a train line that will NEVER go anywhere near them”?

    I am struggling to understand that, please explain.

    You are obviously not wrong, it is I that is thick and struggling through an incredibly mind numbing cold, cough, etc. etc. Just discovered that I am not alone up this close in being a victim of this.

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    1. They are paying for the HS2 line the same as we are. London to Birmingham… then on to Leeds in the unknown future. Who knows, one day … you know, in 3040, that line might get itself up to Edinburgh, but it will NEVER get to Belfast.

      The train from Dublin does, though! 🙂

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      1. Alex Salmond suggested that since it was going to reach Scotland, why don’t they start building from Scotland and work their way south.

        Oh how they laughed.

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        1. Oh how they would… “Imagine”, they said to each other, “that daft Jock thought that we meant it, ho ho ho ho ho… thick or what?”

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      1. Don’t forget Cross rail as well and its ever escalating cost. (And speedy recovery, Douglas. Hope it’s a lot speedier than HS2 or Crossrail where the delays stretch in tandem with the rising costs. )

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  4. Sorry to change the subject,again but I can’t help feel that Trump’s attempts to start a war in the Middle East,again,are related to his impending impeachment.
    A nice deflection from his troubles and who cares if people die in the process,he certainly doesn’t and I am pretty sure that our new PM is of the same ilk.

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    1. Bringiton and Tris…….Yes, Bill Clinton felt an urgent military need to launch an air strike in Iraq as his impeachment trial in the US Senate neared. Trumpy has honed this time-honored misdirection tactic to a fine science.

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      1. LOL. Trust Trump… not, incidentally, two words you are likely to hear in the same sentence … unless prefixed by “I wouldn’t”, and suffixed by “in a billion years”.

        But there you go. Anything Bill can do, I can do better.

        Nutter.

        I just hope Cummings has the good common sense (ho ho ho) to keep out of it.

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        1. Tris…..Perhaps Boris will fancy an Iran adventure with the Americans to draw attention from Brexit difficulties!….LOL.

          I love your construction of the sentence containing the words “trust Trump.” 😉

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          1. Well, here’s the thing, Danny. According to the BBC, no one told Johnson.

            I mean I don’t know where he is. Last I heard he was pretending to be Princess Margaret on Mustique at our expense, doubtless.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50981719

            Interesting that the BBC managed to get a quote from the (as it should) the Labour Party, the official opposition. They also managed to get a comment form The Liberal Democrats who, out of the whole UK have a total of 11 seats. The Green party with ONE seat was quoted and one of the Northern Irish parties, The Alliance Party, again ONE (out of 18 possible) seat.

            An unaccountable oversight must have been the SNP, 48/59. Oddly no comment (that I can see.

            Anyway, no one told Johnson, because …well, what’s the point. He’ll toe the line, because if he doesn’t … no trade deals.

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            1. Yes, the silence of the UK government on a high level assassination that would normally be considered an act of war by the US was noteworthy. Since even the leaders of both parties in Congress (the so-called “Gang of Eight” who are usually always briefed on such matters in advance) was apparently not notified, it seems certain that allies were kept in the dark too.

              Trump and his cabinet are no longer generally trusted to tell the truth anymore, so his motives are mysterious and being treated with suspicion. He’s not even generally credited with enough intelligence to appreciate the consequences. The recent attacks on the American Embassy in Baghdad probably riled Trumpy up…….but no one actually knows. SUCH a sad state of affairs! 😦

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              1. The Brits don’t know what to say, except call for calm.

                The truth is it doesn’t matter what the Brits say. What will happen is what will happen.

                Putin, Netanyahu and MBS matter.

                But in Trump’s mind, even his cabinet doesn’t matter.

                He matters.

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  5. Hm. It seems that when Unionists / Loyalists (Yooloons) turn out to a political demo (how many people actually turn up to those Orange marches now?) they can’t muster more than a handful of people. Must be because they keep telling us that parades and marches and demonstrations don’t mean a thing and are a pointless exercise when we independentistas muster tens of thousands.

    Last time I saw an Orange march here in Dundee there were only about half a dozen of them, including the big lad with the lambeg. Tchah. All that hoo-hah for a handful of bigoted twits! I know they’re more of a problem in other parts of Scotland, but I have a feeling they’re a dying breed. Thank whichever god or gods you believe in, if you believe in any at all.

    Dear Boris – if you’re listening – do please please please dump both Norniron and Scotland so you can pursue your silly, silly little Brexit plans without any interference or backchat or complications from us, and we (I mean me and many others in both our countries) will thank you for it. We’ll thank you for it not least because it will pull the rug out from under these supposedly Loyal sectarian bigots and Yoonloons generally. With any luck, they’ll feel the need to emigrate to England so they can keep on kowtowing to Her Maj and her anointed representatives on God’s green Earth, even as they continue their lives as second-class citizens. We’ll thank you because they’ll either be much less of a problem for us or they’ll be gone completely. As someone once said, a consummation devoutly to be wished.

    We’ll thank you too because our Scotland will be an independent nation again under our own control and not yours. You do believe in taking back control, don’t you Boris? I’m sure I remember you saying words to that effect. Our Scotland will stay in the EU too, which is what the overwhelming majority of us voted for. You do believe that people should get what they voted for, don’t you, Boris? I seem to remember you saying something to that effect anent that oven-ready Brexit which you so badly want to get done. Pity it’s so half-baked, Boris, but that’s hardly our fault, is it?

    Our independent Scotland will have one Government – our Government – which we voted for, and not only one we voted for and another – which fancies itself superior despite affirming our Claim of Right, which proves that it either cannot think straight or is too hypocritical for words – which we voted against. By the way, Boris, we have voted against Tory governments for six decades and more now, not that we imagine that matters a jot to you. You may or may not know, Boris, that we haven’t voted for your party in a long, long time, but we do know you don’t care. We voted against your parties’ governments, Boris, and we voted against their policies too – just like we voted against Brexit. We’ve put up with that for far too long, Boris – far longer than England has been part of the EU. That’s not grievance-mongering, Boris, it’s fact.

    You do not have the right to gainsay us, Boris, whatever you may say and whatever you may think. If you try to deny us, I expect we will see you in court – and even if we were to lose in the English Supreme Court, that would not be the end of it. We have already won in the court of international public opinion, after all. By the way, Boris, after you take England out of the EU, the Europeans will be able to exert leverage over you in Scotland’s defence, and punish you if you misbehave. They will hold you to account, Boris, and we know you don’t like that – and we will be among them, Boris, and you will not be. When we are in the EU ourselves, Boris, we will have much more influence over your little England than we do right now – not difficult, I know, because right now we have none. You should bear that in mind if you decide you’re going to play dirty and bloody-minded over our independence – because you will be punished if you do. You want to run a rogue State, Boris, with you as Great Dictator? Well, hell will truly slap it intae ye.

    Were I an Irish republican – an Irish unionist, if you like – then it is clear what my wishes would be. Need I remind you, Boris, that since your General Election last December the British Loyalists – the Yoonloons – of Northern Ireland no longer hold a majority of Westminster seats, for the first time ever? In fact, Boris, out of the four nations of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, your party and its fellow-travellers won only in England. That makes you, Boris, the First Minister of England, and the coequal of our own First Minister of Scotland. We warned your party, including you, back in 2014, in 2015 and at every opportunity since that your Union Jacket was on a shoogly peg – and you screwed us over royally anyway. On 19 September 2014 your last predecessor but one came out in front of no. 10, trotted out the whole EVEL business, and in effect said to us, “Hah hah, fooled you!” That was all a bit short-sighted, wasn’t it, Boris?

    You’re not my Prime Minister, Boris. I and many other Scots have withdrawn our consent to be governed by governments with not even a plurality of the votes cast here in Scotland. How would you feel, Boris, if the boot were on the other foot? I’d guess it would feel to you a bit like we feel about your government, Boris -but times 10, a 100, and squared, because your really cannot accept that proper Englishmen, i.e., old Etonians and Bullingdon Boys like you, should ever have to put up with such a thing.

    Goodbye, Boris. It hasn’t been nice knowing you, obnoxious narcissist that you are, so good riddance, and do continue to take your holidays in Mustique rather than Musselburgh, please. By the way, Boris, did you pay the whole cost of your £20,000 Caribbean holiday, or was it the taxpayer who coughed up up for your security and their plane fares?

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    1. Ed: “You do not have the right to gainsay us, Boris, whatever you may say and whatever you may think.”

      Very cool Ed! I’m always on the lookout for a use of the verb “gainsay.” (Although it does seem to be controversial in modern usage.)

      It appears in a 1958 opinion of the US Supreme court in Byrd v. Blue Ridge Rural Electric Cooperative. Mr. Justice Brennan wrote:

      “It cannot be gainsaid that there is a strong federal policy against allowing state rules to disrupt the judge-jury relationship in the federal courts.”

      It is opined that the first five words of that sentence serve no conceivable purpose except to allow Justice Brennan to annoy people with “gainsaid,” one form of nineteenth century legalese popular with the 1950’s court…..right up there with “peradventure,” “cavil,” and “obloquy.” 😉

      https://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/11/it-cannot-be-gainsaid.html

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      1. Some might say, peradventure, that the use of such archaic terms as “gainsay” distinguishes the perpetrator as a fustian old fogey, a recidivist m’as tu vu whose deserved rustication these many lustra since might perchance have inculcated in him a condign hesitation in indulging his penchant for orotundity, obfuscation, and quizzical quips and quodlibets. Some rougher, rustic edges would be both becoming and also forestall his becoming the butt of the obloquy and opprobrium of his more urbane acquaintance whose linguistic sensibilities he so grievously (and, in aggravation, with malice aforethought) transgressed. I for one would not cavil at such a fatal conclusion – one which, it must be said, appears almost foredoomed – and would bear such a sentence in good part.

        I remain, Sir, your obedient servant, etc.

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        1. This puts me in mind of Disraeli’s comment on Gladstone:

          “A sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity.”

          I wish I could have come up with something as smart as Ol’ Benjamin or indeed, good ol’ Ed.

          The rest of his quiote went:

          “And gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself.”

          On another occasion, Disraeli said of Gladstone, “He has not a single redeeming defect.”

          Oh for the wit to come up with lines like there, or indeed like Mr Freeman’s

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          1. Oh for the wit of Disraeli in public discourse. How low we have fallen!

            As for Ed’s incomparable reply, I’m still studying (and enjoying) it. 😉

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        2. Ed, your reply is so entertaining that I have copied and pasted it into my permanent digital files. I’m also still studying it of course. 😉

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  6. Is that a curtain rail they have used for the silly sign? Im looking for one that size for the toilet windae. See, they aren’t completely useless after all !!!!

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    1. Ha ha… Nip over to Belfast mate and grab it while they are in a state of mind numbing hatred for their own culture. They won’t notice …and your lavvy will be curtained once again.

      Well, if you get some curtains it will… I’m guessing you’re not wanting one of their flegs?

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  7. I remember when Irish Gaelic (and Scottish too) were often referred to as Erse. So, I’m surprised at the DUP’s entrenched objections when they usually speak out of their erses.

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          1. Go on, Marconatrix, claim that credit! I am a firm believer in hoovering up any credit there may be lying around. My philosophy is based on the time-honoured principle of finders keepers, and has always made me feel good even if it makes Certain People, who know who they are, go all bitter and twisted on me.

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      1. I have a vested interest in gainsay as it’s part of the war cry of Clan Ranald, the branch of the MacDonalds to which I belong. The Gaelic original is “Dh’ aindeòin cò theireadh e”, commonly translated as “Gainsay who dare” or loosely “Despite all opposition”. Maybe atavistic adherence is why we’re still such a bunch of thrawn buggers.

        On Norn Iron translation, perhaps we could learn from the three ducks flying over Belfast. The first duck said “Quack,” the second said “Quack, quack,” and the tail-ender protested “Ah’m gaun as quack as ah cahn!”

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        1. Northern Irish wife to Northern Irish husband, watching TV: “That’s Nat King Cole!” Reply: “No, I don’t think so either.”

          And… Person A: “He works at the Monastery.” Person B: “Oh, is he a monk, then?” Person A: “Don’t be stupid, he works at the Monastery of Defence.”

          Northern Irish readers: please take this in good part. I’m a linguist and treasure lines like those in all languages. When I used to get out and about, in fact, I kept a notebook handy to write such things down, and then stick it back in my fanny pack ready for action.

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          1. Marconatrix, I think John MacDonald has pipped us both at the post, so congratulations, John! I have seized upon it and taken it for my very own, and it will be shamelessly passed off as mine own henceforth.

            Tris, you have a lovely bunch of people on here, did you know that?

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