By Ed Freeman.

(This article previously appeared as a comment by Ed on an article in Scot Goes Pop)

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On the subject of acceding to the EU or our continuing membership of it, our position should be that we never voted to leave, never wanted to leave, and our membership should, therefore, be seen as continuing uninterrupted.

Regardless of whether that argument holds water legally, politically, we must bang on about it loud and long and constantly, because both public and governmental opinion throughout Europe is already in our favour and because when there’s a will, there’s a way. The more the Westminster regime pis*ses the Europeans off, the better their opinion of our Government’s sane and rational behaviour on the European and international scenes, and our committed Europeanism.

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As the Scottish legislature and executive branch will deliberately not pass or make any legislation or regulations that conflict with either the European acquis or EU legislation and regulations passed during any interim period, and will continue to legislate as an EU member State would in order to keep ourselves up to date with applicable EU legislation (statements of intent and memoranda of understanding come immediately to mind), there can be no obstacle to our membership on those grounds. How the practicalities are organised is irrelevant in that regard.

The most important thing, in my view, is that Scotland should take its seat within the EU at the highest levels immediately on independence, and the number of our MEPs should be agreed and elected so that they can take their seats in the European Parliament as soon as possible. All our representatives should preferably have all voting rights from the outset, but should at least be able to be present as observers, while the ongoing and necessary legal, administrative and technical démarches (a technical diplomatic term for procedures/steps/approaches) are carried out and completed.

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The reason for wanting those seats as soon as practically possible is that Scotland should immediately have a voice, an influential voice, in how the EU deals with England. This could hardly be of greater importance for us. We can usefully work with the Irish to form a common front, for reasons that are obvious. The EU already backs Ireland to the hilt – and we will both want and need that too.

We should be able to expect that work is ongoing to review all the international treaties, conventions and other applicable legal instruments which are binding on Scotland, and update and amend them to reflect our altered status as an independent State. We must also have draft treaty/treaties with England ready and waiting to be negotiated on immediately we vote for independence. It will be greatly to our advantage to have that work done in advance, because if we wait for Westminster to do it we could wait forever, and it can be guaranteed that anything Westminster regimes put on the table will be to England’s advantage and not ours: the notion of equal partnership is anathema to Them, because of that damned exceptionalism of the British / English Establishment.

There’s a great deal of preparatory work to be done before we regain our independence; we should and must not wait until after. The sooner begun, the sooner finished – and we want to have our independence become a reality as soon as possible after we regain it theoretically, which will be the moment a victory for Yes becomes official.

We must not let any Westminster regime stand in our way. We must not agree to let Them stop us or delay us because we must insist on our equal status as a sovereign State right from the start. If we do not insist on it, Westminster will continue to behave as if we were a colony or a province, and it will be the worse for us, as we will no longer have any MPs at all at Westminster to even speak on our behalf before being shouted down and ignored.


  1. I said to me granddaughter
    Did you. tie the teacher to a chair and all rush out and join
    The extinction revolution.

    She say we wanted to but THEY
    Wouldn’t allow us.

    I say not sure you have grasped
    The idea of revolution.

    Not sure you nats have either ?

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    1. You say you want a revolution
      Well, you know
      We all want to change the world
      You tell me that it’s evolution
      Well, you know
      We all want to change the world
      But when you talk about destruction
      Don’t you know that you can count me out
      Don’t you know it’s gonna be
      All right, all right, all right
      You say you got a real solution
      Well, you know
      We’d all love to see the plan
      You ask me for a contribution
      Well, you know
      We’re doing what we can
      But if you want money for people with minds that hate
      All I can tell is brother you have to wait
      Don’t you know it’s gonna be
      All right, all right, all right
      You say you’ll change the constitution
      Well, you know
      We all want to change your head…

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        1. Music war, Conflict waged on the YouTube battlefield. At least it’s non violent although I could see it turning nasty once all the decent music was used up.

          For example:

          I cant imagine it not going all Guns of Navarone after that depth has been plumbed.


  2. My suspicion is that future UK legislation that Westminster wants to impose on Scotland will be implemented through the expanded colonial Scottish Office in Edinburgh.
    Back to the future.
    Right wing governments in London will not accept anything which challenges their “right” to rule over Scotland.
    They will want to part company with EU legislation as fast as they can in order to bring about their desired state of an offshore Singapore style entity in Europe.
    At present I don’t see how we can stop them but I hope that I am being overly pessimistic.

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    1. “An offshore Singapore style entity” might perhaps work well enough for London, or at least The City, and maybe some other large urban centres, but I pity what would happen to the rest of England.

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      1. And under our wonderfully benevolent EU these areas you speak of are enjoying good times just now are they?

        I think an important factor in the strong support for leave in these areas such as North East England and South Wales is that they see themselves as having little or nothing to lose – “we’re in the shit just now – might as well throw the cards up in the air and see where they land” – and who can blame them.

        And I don’t think we should get too romantic about Scotland’s attachment to the EU – I think many in Scotland voted to remain simply to have a different result than England!

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        1. I think that the mess that the north of England is in is more down to the policies of both Tory and New Labour governments to concentrate all the money on the SE of England.

          Imperfect though the EU may be, I think we are going to find that things get worse.


          1. You may be right, who knows what the future will bring – “expect the unexpected” as “Boney” liked to say!

            However I would merely point out that 40 odd years membership of the EEC/EC/EU did very little to protect these people( or indeed Scotland) from the policies of Thatcher and Blair, so much so that many in these areas are willing to take the gamble of Brexit.

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            1. I don’t blame the areas that voted strongly for it. They have been taught by the tabloid press that everything foreign is bad.

              They know (because it says so in big letters in their papers that 70 million Turks were about to arrive and take the jobs their grandchildren should have.

              So maybe there will be some more jobs for their grandkids, who knows? although if the car companies reduce their production of chose to move to Hungary, well, there won’t.

              But that’s fair enough. They voted for it, whether it works out well or not, they have got what they wanted.

              But we didn’t.

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            2. As I go on to say (at excessive length) further down, international organisations are very limited in the extent to which they can “interfere” in their member States’ internal affairs. That’s the whole Brexit thing, really: the punters have been persuaded that plucky little Britain has been subjected to the excessive interference and devious machinations of an EU superstate which does not exist, and even although the EU’s powers are very tightly circumscribed by treaty.

              In other words, no one can think of any instance where the UK was “forced” by Europe to do anything it did not agree to do – but all the überBrexiteers are convinced it happens all the time.

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        2. Yes some places haven’t done so well relatively speaking as others since joining the EU, but to actually blame the EU for this is the daft bit. Leavers with a great deal of ‘persuading’ from the MSM, politicians and miscellaneous other interested individuals have, to put it bluntly, been conned into blaming the wrong crowd. Conned by the very ‘elites’ they think they’re rebelling against.

          It’s the good old fashioned archaic British political system and it’s ruthless entitled self serving that’s the principle cause. The EU, maybe not so much.

          It’s just a pity the rest of us have to suffer before the penny drops.

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  3. Good thinking there, that’s definitely how it all needs to be done, in that order.

    Really inspiring and exciting is the bit where you say :
    “Scotland should immediately have a voice, an influential voice, in how the EU deals with England. This could hardly be of greater importance for us. We can usefully work with the Irish to form a common front, for reasons that are obvious. The EU already backs Ireland to the hilt …”

    That’s definitely the attitude that’s needed to bring a genuinely Indy Scotland into being. No _Indy in Name Only_ for us, please! 🙂

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    1. Thanks, Marconatrix! Cassandra remains worried that our country faces existential dangers from the right-wing, roge regime at Westminster, and we’re neither taking it seriously enough nor preparing ourselves enough to go as soon as the starting pistol, i.e., the Yes vote, comes in. Because, make no mistake, Westminster is going to cut up as rough as it is allowed to get away with.

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        1. True, they may be too caught up in the chaos of their own making to have time left over for that. Still, it wouldn’t take more than a few professionally bloody-minded civil servants to cause us a whole ocean of grief.

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  4. Much as I’m in favour of the EU in principle (and largely in practice) there are fundamental conflicts. Craig Murray expounds on this very clearly…

    The jailing of Catalan independence supporters is horrific, yet the EU ignores all its ‘human rights’ ideals and insists on so-called respect for Spanish courts. The implications for Scotland are chilling. Would the EU also give a free pass to UK attempts to treat Scottish independence supporters as seditious rebels? I’d consider that a badge of honour, but I have the safety of living in Bulgaria and a European arrest warrant could be difficult to effect when criminal reciprocity expires come Brexit.

    Munguin and the rest of the New Republicans still resident – beware!

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    1. The reason, I think, that we have to do it legally, John.

      Technically, as I understand it, the Spanish state is indivisible for all time. Not that I think that it is acceptable for the thuggish Spanish police to behave the way they have today. Frankly they have been worse that the Hong Kong police acting on orders from Beijing (from what I’ve seen).

      I hope that people remember that when it comes time to book holidays. It’s not a country I’d like to be in any more than I’d fancy much being in North Korea.

      The Scottish/English treaty (I suppose at the time Wales was simply lumped in with England), is simply a treaty between two governments and is legally divisible.

      But just to be safe, Munguin and I may have to seek exile in Bulgaria! The question is, do you have suitable accommodations close by. I mean is King Boris’s palace in tip top condition. Munguin expects no less!


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      1. You’re both very welcome here any time. Boris’s palace might be pushing it a bit, but we’re converting one of the barns for visitor accommodation/holiday let. Thermal drawers will be essential for the next few months though. The wonderful summer/autumn weather is fast fading and there’s now a decided nip in the morning air.

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    2. Thus oor Nicola’s insistence on section 30, I believe, John: Spain has said that it will not (or cannot) gainsay Scottish independence won through constitutional means – much though some of the Spanish right wing would like to, I suspect.

      It must be borne in mind that the EU – the international organisation – can do only as much as its members let it. The UN is the same: there are many more things it could do than it does, if only the [insert name of Permanent Five member of the Security Council HERE] would let it. Although in Europe faith in the neoliberal consensus was never universal and must surely be considered a busted flush in most quarters, even now not everybody is sold on the ideas of, say, Varoufakis and, oh, Krugman, for example.

      Foreign interference in countries’ political affairs is always pernicious. Putin’s involvement in supporting extreme right-wing parties and fomenting divisions in European countries generally and in particular Hungary, Poland and the UK (by which I mean dirty, dark money to the Leave campaign and Brexit it in general and Farage and the Tories in particular) make it particularly difficult for EU to agree on many things. I found it particularly gratifying when the Freedom Party of Austria (Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs (FPÖ)), a coalition partner in the Austrian Government, were subjected to a sting operation proving their willingness to grant huge State contracts in Austria to Russian (oligarch- and therefore Putin-controlled) firms in return for political and personal favours and financial rewards. This prompted their resignation from the Austrian Government – wahey!

      Something all international organisations struggle with is condemning the behaviour of individual member States. The larger and more influential, the more difficult it can be to do it. Back in the Reagan years and ever since, right-wing American regimes have hamstrung the UN, using their permanent seat on the Security Council and their very large contribution to the overall budget (it used to be 22%, not sure what it is now), to get their own way. So, if you like, the vagaries of the American electoral system which gave us Bush II and Trump have ramifications beyond the US itself (which hardly needs saying, really). Because Gore was denied the presidency despite winning the popular vote (fact check here, please, Danny!), we – the whole world – ended up in the Iraq war; with Trump, who is quite clearly Putin’s pawn, we do not know what havoc will be wrought as the Russian dictator uses all means at his disposal to reclaim the Soviet Union’s power and influence.

      Clearly, the sooner Trump is stopped, the better.

      The EU has a veto system too, of course, and is equally as sensitive as the UN to charges of “interfering in internal affairs”, which how the Chinese and the Soviets used to respond to any form of criticism from any quarter. We shouldn’t forget, by the way, that Ukraine and Russian and Trumpian meddling there is right now a subject for serious concern among the EU States – and as if that were not bad enough, now – again, on Europe’s and NATO’s doorstep – we have Erdoğan having another crack at genocide in Syrian Kurdistan.

      Expanding the geopolitical focus a bit, as we know, Russia considers Syria to be part of its sphere of influence, and the Kurds there are an obstacle because they are not under his control. We can understand the relationship with Turkey there as a sort of Ribbentrop-Molotov pact: Putin gets Trump to let Erdoğan wipe out the major opposition to Assad in Putin’s client State. The unavoidable and awful fallout – another wave of Syrian / Kurdish refugees, humanitarian disaster, a forever war against terrorism – no skin off Putin’s nose and it keeps NATO and the West otherwise occupied. Payback? Turkey controls the Bosphorus, which Putin needs for the Russian fleet based in Sevastopol. Sevastopol, naturally enough, is in Crimea, which Putin has of course annexed from Ukraine by military means. Likewise, Putin’s war in the Donbass is a continuation of his overall campaign to spread Russia’s influence beyond its own borders, and threaten the EU and NATO.

      So we know about Putin’s many attempts to interfere in Ukrainian affairs both politically and economically through puppet regimes and institutionalised corruption among his nasty little plutocratic, kleptocratic oligarch pals. The connections between Trump and Putin in Ukraine (and we will find out, I am sure, that there is one in Syrian Kurdistan as well) through Manafort, and now Giuliani and Pompeo / the State Department in ejecting Marie Yovanovitch from her post as US Ambassador to Ukraine, are in my view further proof, if any were needed, of Putin’s long reach and his control over the puppet Trump, who is a moron and a dictator-worshipper.

      Boris Johnson, Britain’s very own Poundland Trump – what can we say about him? I look forward to finding out, if I live that long. The British Establishment is much better at keeping secrets that any American administration, and much less transparent in pretty much every respect. We do know about dirty money to the Tories and the Leave campaign. There may be more. Weakening both the EU in general and the UK in particular benefits no one except Putin, really, and Trump’s support for it should be viewed in that light.

      That’s more than enough for now, I’m sure. Sorry, people, I’m on a bit of a roll.

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      1. eddjasfreeman,

        The USA’s most recent chunk of realpolitic – or unrealpolitic – in relation to the Kurds is frankly inexplicable. There, it seems to me, to be bad actors at play, y’know money men? What other explanation fits the facts?

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        1. My bit of blue-sky thinking, Douglas: Erdoğan views all Kurds alike, and has been wanting into northern Syria / Kurdistan for a long while. The significant Kurdish minority in Turkey, concentrated in the east of the country, have been a thorn in his side / Turkey’s side for ever… at least since the Ottoman Empire fell and the winners of WWI sat around in Versailles in 1922 (?), divvied up Europe and the Middle East between them and redrew its boundaries, and rejigged colonial Africa between them too.

          Kurdistan almost became a Thing then, but Kurdistan was eventually split between Turkey, northern Syria and northern Iraq. As far as I can tell, which isn’t very far, the Kurds in northern Syria have actually been minding their own business, keeping DAESH down and not launching attacks on Turkey, but hey, dictators aren’t necessarily all that reality-based.

          To Erdoğan, all Kurds are a threat. His nightmare must be the Kurds in Turkey, the Turks in American-supported Northern Iraq and the American-supported Kurds in Syria linking up together and using their oil wealth from Iraq to really go for nationhood together – if they can manage to export it through the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline to the Mediterranean. He must surely not like that idea at all, but I’m guessing here, because it doesn’t really seem all that likely. Maybe the current offensive is his warning to the Kurds in general not to get too uppity, and that their wealth in Iraq flows to them only by his by-your-leave.

          Putin, on the other hand, sees Syria as part of Russia’s sphere of influence, its toehold in the Middle East, through Assad. The autonomous Kurds in Syria put a bit of a spoke in that because they oppose Assad and are (were) allied to the Americans. So, with Trumpy pulling America out from Syria at Erdoğan’s / Putin’s behest, Erdoğan gets what he wants, Putin cedes some of Syria so that Erdoğan owes him one (Bosphorus) while simultaneously further compromising Turkey’s NATO membership and EU accession ambitions helped along by his servant Trumpy, who sells out the Kurds, NATO and America’s own interests, which causes Putin to laugh his socks off. Well, who wouldn’t at seeing the major obstacles to their geopolitical ambitions rather seriously weakened? Not one of the three dictators gives a damn about people being slaughtered, of course, oh no. We know that about Erdoğan and Putin, of course, and Trumpy has not only Yemeni blood on his hands now, but Kurdish as well.

          The Kurds, by the way, are not Arabs, and Kurdish is an indoeuropean language (or collection of languages) in the Iranian subgroup, in other words, not at all like Arabic.

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          1. eddjasfreeman,

            Your analysis seems pretty much on the button. Perhaps I under-rate, what with being a separatist and all that jazz – just how attached some countries seem to be to their borders being set in concrete.

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            1. I hear that the Kurds have turned to Assad (and therefore Putin) for protection from the Turks. Cassandra’s prophecies are too dark for words, and she reminds me that I haven’t said anything about Iran.

              Point worth remembering: there is no point looking for either consistency or rationality in American foreign policy right now, because Trump and his great and unmatched wisdom.

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              1. Yes, Assad, Putin and the Ayatollah. Well done Trump.

                To paraphrase Galloway: “Sir, I salute your great and unmatched wisdom”.

                Well, it’s certainly “unmatched”!


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