Oh, how the Express made me laugh today.
The headline read:
Shock as Nicola Sturgeon refuses to curtsy to the Queen as she visits Holyroodhouse
Actually, there is no evidence that she REFUSED to do so. She apparently simply bowed her head a little, which broke no protocol. So it was all a big fuss about nothing.
The article opened:
SCOTLAND’S First Minister Nicola Sturgeon showed no sign of a curtsy when she met the Queen yesterday. Instead, Miss Sturgeon shook hands as the monarch visited the Palace of Holyroodhouse – the royal residence in Edinburgh.
The Queen, 93, wore a floral dress for the meeting and appeared in pink at a garden party.
It appears that the Express just wanted to get some of its little old lady readers tutting and shaking their heads in horror. They will have been relieved that, without any further ado, they could read what the queen was wearing, both when she met Nicola and when she later appeared at a garden party.
Well, it’s important stuff, that!
So in case there are any little old ladies reading this and who give a damn, here is the pink outfit, because you can never have too many pics of Liz, right?!
If you are gagging for further information, you should probably read the Express article, but I can save you the bother by telling you that Anne wore something green, Eddy looked a complete muppet in a top hat… and Andy Airmiles looked, well, fat.
Anyway, the point is Nicola didn’t make an almighty fool of herself like her English counterpart with her knees almost on the floor and her chest almost bared!.
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I’ve always thought that Ann Widdecombe was as mad as a box of frogs. I mean the only sensible thing she ever said was that Michael Howard had something of the night about him.
As a Home Office minister, she often said or did slightly bizarre stuff and then when she retired from politics and started being a “tv personality” she was even more outrageous, if less entertaining.
However, in her latest incarnation, Widde is at her weirdest.
She seems to see Brits in the same light as slaves rising against a cruel master. ‘There is, she told the parliament, a long history of “oppressed people turning on their oppressors”.’
“Nous allons, wir gehen, we’re off”!
Well, Old Annie can add polyglot to her list of qualifications!
I suspect that in these initial days of the parliament, people will simply laugh at the immaturity of the Brexit party with their refusal to face the front when “Ode to Joy” was playing and their idiotic speeches about being slaves and threatening to turn on Britain’s oppressors.
But I have a feeling that it won’t be long before the Europeans tire of this nonsense, which the BP is doing, presumably in order to stir up even more xenophobia at home, in time for what is becoming an ever more likely general election in the late autumn!
The answer to them may very well be:
Pour l’amour de Dieu, allez! Um Gottes willen, gehen! For God’s sake, go!
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Oh, welcome to Scotland, Theresa.
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MUNGUIN'S NEW REPUBLIC 
What a collective of scroungers and low life you’ve got here. Great stuff ~ George
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LOL Yeah, Benefit scroungers. the lot of them.
Harry and Meg couldn’t be there. Too busy counting all the money they saved by getting us to do up their house.
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Too busy in their 5 grand copper bath we paid for more likely – what I could do with 5 grand! ~ George
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Really… their bath cost us £5000? Have they never heard of B and Q?
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Ann Widdecombe is right. The oppressed people of Scotland are simply turning against their oppressors in the Westminster parliament.
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LOL…
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As so often of a Thursday around teatime, I feel moved to quote Oliver Cromwell.
Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God’s help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!”
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P.S. It was the Westminster Parliament he was talking to, not the Scottish one.
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Aye… it’s a kind of Thursday tea time thing, isn’t it, Ed?
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Was that before he turned into a murderous tyrant or after.
Fine words are cheap – actions are what should be judged!
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Who… Cromwell or Ed?
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Blast… rumbled again…
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Save the union May and others say
Reminds of the US Major during the
Vietnam war .
They had to destroy the Village in
Order to save it
And in that spirit the Torys are
Doing a fantastic job.
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They certainly are, Niko. It’s the only thing they have done half well.
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On Ann Widers
Perhaps one day Scientists
Will find a cure for her
Personality disorder.
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Widdecombe: Together We Can Find A Cure.
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Like so many of these people who, at first glance, are just weirdos, she has a seriously nasty streak in her.
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Were I the French govt I’d just close the Chunnel and the ports that serve England.
They’ll be better off without the English.
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OH noooooo. What would Raab do? He only just discovered that Great Britain is an island.
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I believe you mean the
English ruling classes
Whom most are from
Foreign lands.
Johnson is actually Turkish
Johnson’s paternal great-grandfather was Circassian-Turkish journalist Ali Kemal
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LOL. Send him home!
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Tris
Sadly go to the supermarket on a Sat or Sunday morning and see lots of older folk with the Express and the Mail, papers that would have made the Nazis proud. The whole Windsor thing just gets on my nerves, it is such a waste of money and designed to keep us down. Why the politicians even pander to them is beyond me, the only thing I can think of is they have far more power than us poor folk have been led to believe. The sooner we are out of this nightmare the better. Not seen anything from Mayhems visit to the dirty North today, was it that secret that no one was allowed in.
Bruce
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They probably know about all the skeletons.
Fun fact: Countries are like religions: They only have power if you believe in them!
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LOL
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I think it was her usual, Bruce. You know, back entrance to a private audience of specially picked people who wouldn’t boo.
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Elderly yoons in bank yesterday bemoaning the mess (supposedly) that the SNP has made of Scotland and predicting civil war if Nicola “gets her way”. Didn’t look like potential recruits to the Yoon army if it comes to pass……
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Oh, and it’ll be just like Belfast.
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I just wish they could point us to a mess in Scotland that isn’t a lot less of a mess than in the UK.
The only exceptions might be drugs and internet, but that is because they control our drugs policy and telecoms is reserved. We’re not free to take the steps that we want to to remedy the situation. They actually forbade it.
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I suppose the mess is poor still in houses due to the SNP picking up the bill for the bedroom tax. Poor people still alive because they get their meds. Mess because public services still exist. Where do these people come from.
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I’d love to take them to some places in England and let them see just how much worse things are there.
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Thats a great idea. Hire a big bus, pack it with these moaning gits and head South and show them. They might then vote for indy.
Over to you Munguin.
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Munguin could get a few of them in the back of his Bentley!
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Err…
OK
“Shock as Nicola Sturgeon refuses to curtsy to the Queen as she visits Holyroodhouse.”
How the heck is that even real?
We live in an alternate reality where deference is assumed to be the norm.
Who the writes this shit?
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Ha ha… It’s written for the Express. I though no one read that any more, but Bruce says he sees people buying it.
I had a great aunt that bought it. Dreadful woman.
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Douglas, should I write in to the Express to confess that I didn’t curtsy to the queen either? And wouldn’ t have done even without these knees?
Anyway, it must be far nicer to be treated with warmth, humanity and the respect due to age than to suffer May’s undignified, Heep-like bowing, scraping, grovelling and grimacing.
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I rather agree with that, Ed. All the simpering and crawling must get nauseating after a while.
Must be nice to be treated like a human being.
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Quite astonished at this.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/no-independence-day/
I am unimpressed by what is an all out attack on Mhari Black by someone who I thought was worth supporting. Quite what he thinks he gains by that is beyond me.
Just to be clear, I admire Mhari Black, and I used to admire Campbell. The man has his rather obvious limitations.
Clearly Campbell does not do complexity.
Having a forum to attack an ally in the desire for Scottish independence over trivia is not the example of a ‘well rounded or balanced man’.
Indeed, he protests too much.
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I like Mhari too. I think she is sensible and I think Stuart is an amazingly valuable asset to the cause. Mr Debunker.
I can’t pretend to agree with everything he says, and I’ve always found his interpersonal skills to be lacking.
You can’t see eye to eye with people on everything, Douglas, I guess.
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Thanks. It is a tad odd that from you to other commentators, I have always found this to be a ‘safe space’. We can disagree but we do so in a manner that means no-one is ‘hurt’. We can dust ourselves down and discover that Nico isn’t crazy.
I have learnt more here than nearly anywhere else on t’internet.
It is why I hang around here.
You have 2732 of the brightest and best commentating here.
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He’s gone off on tears attacking trans people before, and they seem to be getting more and more frequent.
He’s made it very, very clear that he hates transgender people and thinks we’re all rapists.
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Thanks for having the guts to “like” trispw. I think I, and more particularily you, will lose friends over this.
For, for all the synapses in his brain that work, there are quite a few that don’t connect in an overarching manner. There are issues beyond independence that exercise him more than independence, obviously.
Pretty pathetic, really.
Least, that is the friendliest explanation.
Otherwise he is losing his goddam mind.
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Well, some people feel strongly about many things besides independence.
I respect people having different views.
I see no reason to fall out over it.
It’s all very new, well to me anyway, and I still haven’t worked out the rights and wrongs of it.
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“Well, some people feel strongly about many things besides independence.”
Absolutely. I worry more about turning Earth into Venus, which appears to be a political view in the USA. I care more about mutually assured destruction, than I do about independence. I care about inequality globally than I do about us as a group.
“It’s all very new, well to me anyway, and I still haven’t worked out the rights and wrongs of it.”
Neither have I, but my working hypothesis is that The Rev Stuart Campbell is not right about this. He has been wrong over deaths in football stadiums and other things as well.
He never retreats, he never admits his dishonesty and would absolutely attack me for saying that.
His argumentum ad absurdum is that he is always right in everything he has to say.
No-one, including me and thee has that right to certainty.
Just saying shit ain’t the same as being automatically right.
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The problem for me is the hypocrisy of the SNP leadership & many in the indy movement
They know the trans stuff will lose them many more votes than it gains them and in a normal democracy I’d applaud them for their stand.
However this isn’t a normal democracy, its the UK and the SNP has ONE OVERRIDING FUNCTION – deliver independence ASAP.
In terms of what he’s saying about the SNP being “too comfortable” with their sinecures – I agree 100%. I’ve said as much here on several occasions. People like Wishart “went native” years ago at Westminster (he’s been there the best part of 20 YEARS!) & I no longer believe Nicola Sturgeon will call ANY form of plebiscite on independence.
I really hope I’m wrong but I think the SNP are a busted flush in terms of indyref2 since Sturgeon took over from Salmond. I don’t believe they’ll get anywhere close to a majority in 2021 and that’ll be game over for them as they’ll have failed us all. They’ll go exactly the same way as SLAB.
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Well, I REALLY hope you are wrong.
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So do I but when I talk to foreign friends they all basically say much the same about Scottish independence (I paraphrase) :
Why are you waiting? Alien invasion, mass extinction, nuclear war? How bad does it have to get before “now is the time?”.
They’re right. For all sorts of reasons.
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I’m with you Vestas, I think some SNP representatives are too comfy with their nice life at Westminster and we risk another Dug in a Red rosette Labour safe seat scenario. I think Nicola is an excellent FM but I don’t think she has been a good leader of the independence movement. TBF it’s a lot on one person’s plate. Time for the SNP to stop fighting each other and prioritise self determination.
If a bunch of SNP careerist’s arses getting too comfy means I die in a Scotland in the f’ing union, I will come back and haunt the bloody lot of them. And with Brexit and the Tories/BXP I’m not sure that death would be too far in the future either.
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Well, with that threat ringing in their ears, PP, I hope they will take stock!
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The cost of standing a candidate in every WM seat in Scotland is *well* within crowdfunder range.
If the SNP don’t deliver then set up a GoFundMe or whatever, raise the money, and stand candidates as “Scottish Independence Now!” with the party name as the entirety of the manifesto.
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Same for me. I’ve got a load of friends in France, Hungary, Iceland, Sweden, Ireland all of them think we were nuts to let the chance go in 2014.
All of them are intelligent, educated people. There’s nothing emotional about it.
They just think that the UK is a joke of a country and why on earth would anyone stay in it…
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“They know the trans stuff will lose them many more votes than it gains them ”
Citation please. If you’re basing this on the Wings polls, then I need to go find the “Yes Minister” sketch about how to rig opinion polls for you.
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If you feel like educating yourself, here’s a good primer on the science (published by Harvard): http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/ (don’t bother with the comments, they’re worse than youtube)
Some interesting facts it mentions:
~0.3% of the population of Europe and America is trans. The only comparable stat I could find is the number of people in England&Wales who don’t speak any English.
~1.7% of the population is born with “indistinct genitalia at birth”. So that’s a min count on the intersex rate (some intersex people are “invisible”). That makes intersex people at least FIVE TIMES more common than trans people.
Trans people’s brain structures are aligned to the gender they identify as. This is a big one, as it gives a physical reason for why people are trans.
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Thanks Illy.
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The sooner people realize that people’s identities in terms of sex and sexuality are pretty much hard wired and may or may not coincide with outward appearance, the happier we shall all be, and that means too that we will lose fewer gay / trans / intersex – all the initials – young people to suicide. Growing up non-straight and non-cis-sexual (etc.) is no bed of roses, even in these relatively enlightened times and in this relatively enlightened place.
As an out gay man myself – I used to think I was such a deviant, but now I know I’m plain vanilla – I expect I have more personal knowledge about and understanding of trans people – and others – than most people do who’ve not strayed from the strait and narrow. Not only that, people are more open to discussing such things with me, because of who I am.
I’ll follow on from that to say that I betcha Mhairi Black knows a lot more about the subject – and the people – than Stu Campbell does. A lot more.
One of the bravest and kindest people I have ever known was a trans man. What a pity Stu Campbell never had the honour to meet him. Who knows, it might have changed even Stu Campbell’s mind.
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Well said, Ed!
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Honestly, I think Stu is suffering from the fact that he lives in Bath.
So he (? – I bet he’s never had his chromosomes checked) is surrounded (by choice – he could totally afford to move to Scotland if he wanted to) by people with the social mores and attitudes of the south of England.
And then he has the gall to complain about media that’s owned outside of Scotland.
He’s a transphobic misogynist who refuses to ever admit that he’s been wrong. Hrrrm, where have we heard that before?
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Everyone I’ve interacted with in person in Scotland (mostly Edinburgh and Fife) has been respectful (even in the rough bits of Fife!). I have never had to correct someone about my gender or pronouns more than once (in person ).
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I’m glad to hear that Illy.
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Now for something completely different.
When I see May performing her contortions in front of Royalty,I am reminded of a Monty Python sketch with John Cleese entitled,The Ministry of Funny Walks.
Fortunately,won’t have to see any more of that,from May that is.
On the topic mentioned above,I do think some people in the independence movement are taking their eye off the ball and getting distracted by other things.
Probably frustration at the apparent lack of progress on indy ref2 but that is down to Westminster’s vascillation on Brexit convincing some Scots that there may still be mileage left in the old Union.
Pity.
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Thanks for that. I had forgotten about that Ministry.
Humour beats serious beats life?
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…and if we didn’t laugh, we’d cry.
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Through the glass darkly.
I’m so confused with our precious onion.
We have a raving loonie, flies to Scotland on a large aircraft, tells us we should appreciate the generosity of englandland, tells us that the SNP are too focussed on Independence when a lot feel that the SNP isn’t focussed enough, Then flies back to the Bunker.
The police number scam from johnson tell Nicola that she should follow his tip and increase the numbers. Then johnson tells us there’s no true in the rumour that the maybot restricted his access to secret intelligence, yes he would know that he got it all.
Fox hunting to be allowed by unt, well because it’s the countryside.
A little colony called Gibraltar seizes an oil tanker.
The trump tell us that during the US war for independence the army took over the running of the airports.
A lady from Arran is to be deported as she’s an alien, married to a Brit but an American Actress has just been in receipt of housing benefit of £4.2 MILLION.
Have I been asleep during the transition to an Alice Through the Looking Glass World, must be either that or the asylum called westmonster has emptied for the holidays.
The maybot’s legacy is as a bampot who was so stupid she took the poison chalice from the palace instead of the BRU that is true.
Yes prime minister writers would have thrown all this stuff out as unbelievable but we are living through this and more.
MEP’s getting paid to NOT represent us in the EU but they were voted into office by having English National Front Brexit party credentials.
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Yeah Dave, your reference to The Court Jester is spot on. The problem for us is while that was a comedy that was meant to be funny, we are about to descend into a nightmare comedy engineered by the biggest bunch of retards I have ever had the misfortune to witness.
And just to add to all those impatient for independence, I have been waiting since the 1950s for us to reach our present position, I have complete confidence in Nicola, she is playing a blinder, and will lead us to victory very shortly. Don’t be distracted. Concentrate on the main prize.
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Agree Alex,
Patience while the onionists are doing the work for us.
I’m now hearing from lots of our population that they’re getting the the nasty party’s propaganda as propaganda and not just negative news.
I know a few people who were for ‘king and country’, rUK, and now have stopped watching EBC news programmes, even see the hidden propaganda in their other outputs, i.e. the pig handler in the Archers, a story of common farming folk but buried in it is the right to govern by the true faithful.
We get the right to share in the largess of Crossrail, HS2, Heathrow expansion, rebuild westmonster, modernise buck house and cottages for the weans, all on us.
Harry Hewitt’s boy has done well for himself, Duke!!!!of Dumbarton, earl of Newry and lots of other wee gifts, these are made up titles but see the pictures of billy and chas as the three musketeers in the blue pantaloons.
It will come, and soon, Scotland will be a normal country with the levers of power to resolve it’s own problems, of which we have many. The thing is we will take decisions for good or bad for ourselves.
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For sure, Dave… and we will make mistakes along the way. But they will be our mistakes, and the people will be able to change the government if they are so dissatisfied.
At the moment it’s not really that important how Scotland votes.
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I wonder if the silly woman has ever heard of Skype or Face Time.
And her arrival in a convoy?
What on earth is that about.
In Sweden all politicians are obliged to use public transport.
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Sorry,
Should have been Ministry of Silly Walks.
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SNP will call an independence referendum when the time is right , it’s certainly not right now.
We in Scotland have not been taken out of the EU.
The mandate for a Scottish independence is basically if Scotland is taken out f the EU against its will.
Once a date for Brexit is signed by Westminster and the EU the SNP will announce when the Scottish independence referendum will take place.
It baffles me why so many people keep saying we are missing the boat , we are not, we are biding our time ready to strike when the time is right and that is good because this time we will win if we do it properly.
Wingsoverscotland getting involved with Kezia Dugdale in court and then raising money to appeal the courts decision and now persuading people who have been members of the SNP to end their membership because the SNP along with other party’s in the Scottish government voted overwhelmingly to carry out a worldwide consultation and consider reviewing the transgender Act is in my opinion a bit strange given that wingsoverscotland claims to be a Scottish independence website .
The Kezia Dugdale court case and the review of the transgender Act are NOT things that will have to be determined in order to get Scottish independence .
These two things appear to be personal interests of Stuart Campbell and as is his right he is using the wingsoverscotland website to garner support for those battles.
I think it’s doing more harm than good to do so.
People are saying that the transgender Act review will turn people off supporting SNP and Scottish independence even though it’s an all party labour Lib Dem Tory and greens Scottish government review ,even Stuart Campbell is saying that .
Some people can’t focus on the goal and get sidetracked
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Don’t like to nitpick but NS actually said
“We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will.”
So we don’t have to wait until we’re out, just need a majority that want independence or some other material change SUCH AS …..
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Correct Tatu3 good nit picking
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“a bit strange given that wingsoverscotland claims to be a Scottish independence website .”
A Scottish Independence website written from the South of England.
I’m starting to have doubts.
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Illy, I don’t doubt he is all for an independent Scotland, but over the past few months, and I’ve been reading W.O.S almost since it’s inception, he seems not only developing a dislike of the S.N.P, but a disconcerting habit of taking his mind off the main prize.
Maybe I’m out of touch, but I go most of our S.N.P branch meetings, leaflet and canvas regularly, and have never heard discussed, or been asked on the doorstep,about the details of this latest stushie. Independence first., then we can sort out other matters.
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Very true. I’ve never heard anything outside of online!
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Well said Alex Beveridge
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Good piece Terence.
A lot of sense in that!
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Yet another People’s Front of Judea moment within the independence movement. Is this just us Scots being Scots or is there some sort of very devious black ops?
I despair sometimes, remembering the march to Carlton Hill in 2013. All independence minded people marching for a cause – marching in step, together.
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I remember that too. What a day!
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