THEN AND NOW

Or, how the ‘mighty’ are fallen…

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  1. “May to EU: give us fair deal or you’ll be crushed”. As they say, WTF… Those people are not living on the same planet as the rest of us. If they think that England alone can “crush” 27 EU States by Brexiting, they have it completely upside down and arsey-versey.

    It’s not just rubbish, it’s pathological rubbish. Those people don’t just need throwing out of office, they should be sectioned so they can get treatment for their mental problems.

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    1. I don’t think that anyone has ever denied that a no deal Brexit would be bad for everyone. The 27 and the UK.

      But it would take some sense of superiority to imagine that the 27 (which includes the biggest EU economy, and probably the second biggest EU economy, plus a shed load of smaller, but very rich countries… Scandinavian, Austria, Luxembourg, Italy) are less than the four countries of the UK.

      Sectioned is what they need.

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      1. Clearly by now they’ve crossed the threshold into psychosis.
        For those of you unfamiliar with the levels of mental derangement, the simplest definition goes like this, “Neurotics build castles in the air … psychotics live in them!”
        Maybe ‘politicians’ fall into a whole category of their own though?

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  2. Aye Eddie
    Mrs Merkel says to the maybot.
    “You’ll have had your tea”
    Surely tomorrow it’s the revocation of A50, time is out for any more can kicking.
    Scotland is being held by a group that can’t make up their minds on their internal party policy.

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  3. More from the house of common fools.
    Jakie from the 17th century says Parliament can’t BIND a successor government.
    This suggests they can change policy.
    A tory MP standing at a lectern with a portrait of Maggie says the maybot needs to be removed from office. If corbyn moves a vote of no confidence in the current government She will vote for the maybot government? If the tory party moves the VONC she will vote to remove may. My understnding is that only corbyn can move a VONC. We pay these people.
    Fox, the disgraced one, says If your in the CU without membership you’ll get eaten.
    Looks like these mps re no better than anyone else for their intelligence, in fact they seem to have a strange mindset.
    Time maybe for parliament to be chosen by EARNIE’S random number generator.
    Couldn’t be any worse than the suits with little personality that we have.
    Red, Blue and yellow unionist monkeys.
    Are we there yet?, Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

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    1. Of course no government can bind a future government.

      But JRM seems like what he is doing there is saying “Don’t trust us. In a few weeks’ time, she’ll be gone and a proper leader will be installed… and we’ll be as awkward as we can be.

      Now, can we have a good deal?

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        1. Yes it does bind them. If the incoming Government doesn’t like a treaty, it should follow the procedures to “renounce” it – the ways out are usually set forth at the end of the things, along with procedures for the settlement of disputes. Some become binding on every country when a threshold number of countries sign up to them.

          The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is the fallback, I suppose; some provisions of treaties can be dismissed as not being in keeping with the convention and “customary practice”.

          A lot of the time, enforcement mechanisms are weak, though, and take everything I just said under advisement; I was never an international lawyer, so the foregoing cannot be construed (see what I did there) as an expert opinion.

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        2. Well… I guess it depends on the country. In theory, of course, yes. In practice, who is going to do anything to the UK if it unilaterally breaks the Belfast Treaty?

          But you make a good point. I guess, I don;t know the answer.

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          1. Who is going to do anything to to the UK if it breaks the GFA?
            The USA with its large Irish and Scottish contingent, and the EU with its obligation to its member state Ireland. Not to mention that they were both co-guarantors of the GFA.

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  4. Seriously, why does this buffoon get airtime? I mean apart from the obvious comedy effect.

    Who asked for an extension? The Co9nservative Prime Minister? His Prime Minister?

    And, the extension (which is at the behest of the Brits) will almost certainly come with limitations on the power of Britain to do anything like you have suggested, you silly little muppet. You know, they have some great brains in the EU… where are you… well…

    Now enjoy your five minutes of fame you daft wee man. Remember, as well as making a spectacle of yourself, it’s England you are making look foolish.

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    1. His expenses claims included Mars bars, Snickers, Kit Kats, wine gums, Twiglets, Jaffa Cakes, chocolate biscuits, Pringles crisps and “bags of sweets”… Häagen-Dazs ice cream, lemon sorbet, choc ices, crisps, Starburst, Bourneville dark chocolate and Trebor mints. Among his purchases were several Peperami “hot” 5 packs. 
      Necessary expenditure to keep the body beautiful.
      Last month he told us just that after one of the many Commons votes on Brexit.
      He said: “Because it is not a win, it’s a lose. I am not going to bank a lose. I was in the army, I wasn’t trained to lose.”  According to his website he “served as an infantry officer in the Territorial Army.
      The weekend soldiers that have untruthful as their officer.
      Imagine how politics would be different if Mark Francois and Nigel Farage were not over-compensating for their French-sounding surnames.
      Photographed with a picture of maggie on the lectern, Didn’t she keep us in the EU with the statement that we were better in a partnership with a HUGE trading block?

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    2. He is indeed a ‘daft wee man’. Let us all hope he has had his ‘five minutes of fame’.

      I am quite keen on ‘Let my people go’. I doubt he and I agree on the definition, the measure or the legality. Or how it plays out in Scotland.

      Is it up to us, the Scottish electorate, to decide what we want.

      I doubt it is the ideas of this dumb moron.

      Public school perhaps?

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        1. (This is OT – quelle surprise!) Too bloody long. Quite a feat, to spend 40 years in Sinai and not find your way out. Even if it’s supposed to mean “simply ages; it seemed like forever” it’s a bit much. Produces the same reaction in me as “very unique” and “literally gobsmacked”. That latter one makes me wish I could say to the perpetrator “What? You mean like this?”, and deliver a sharp whack across the kisser.

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      1. LOL…

        Who knows. According to that master of diplomacy, the disgraced DOCTOR fox, Il dort avec sa grand-mère!

        Just when you thought there was no one less competent than Theresa.

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  5. Sorry can’t get this to give a shortcut. Google “brexit: dear brits please leave already” for a German view on things, includes subtitles.

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    1. No, it is going spiffingly for some. Perhaps large landowners, or, Moscow on Thames immigrants or folk in the House of Lords or summat.

      It is an exchange of a marginal democratic vote, which would be overturned tomorrow if asked again – I think – now being seen as a Moses down from the Mountain moment.

      Think about that. Was Moses the final arbiterer? I think not.

      I do not even remember the Mail’s ‘arguements’ nor the utter lies we were told, nor the red bus with any belief, other than arguements for ‘if you want a lot of jam on your biscuit join our club’. Being the insanity of the ‘leave’ campaign.

      They lied comprehensively, and for that they deserve to be on the side of a bus:

      https://metro.co.uk/2017/07/04/man-behind-350m-brexit-bus-lie-just-said-leaving-the-eu-is-an-error-6754392/

      And dumped as charlatans and liars.

      Over and out.

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  6. I’m afraid it doesn’t matter how much fun we make of Francois, Mogg, Johnson, Gove, and the rest of the idiots who are never off our airways spouting their nonsense.
    At the risk of stating the obvious, the only answer for us is independence. Canvassing during the last General Election we were given specific instructions to say, ” This isn’t about independence, its about making Scotland stronger at Westminster. Well, we all know how that has turned out.
    At the next opportunity, and I trust Nicola to gauge it correctly, whether it’s an election or a referendum, we must leave people in no doubt that their vote is for an independent Scotland.
    I, for one, am fed up pussyfooting about. Of course, I’m not a politician, just a footslogger going around the doors hoping to make a difference, not for me, but for future generations of Scots.

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          1. I’m impatient, too, but there are lessons to be learnt from Brexit.

            Brexit was deliberately vague but that is now coming undone because no form of Brexit ever achieved a consensus. Building consensus into the process and the outcome is crucial to delivering significant constitutional change. What about independence? There is currently no coherent form of independence because Brexit affects almost everything about Scotland’s future arrangements, be they cultural, political or economic. Even if we won the referendum it’s easy to see everything being derailed when it comes round to implementating something that was never defined. Winning the referendum would be harder, anyway, because the electorate aren’t going to fall for unicorns and obfuscation after the mess of Brexit. I d0n’t honestly think a referendum can be contemplated until there is some clarity about our future. We might just have to be patient a while longer.

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            1. Bang on.

              We need to have laid out exactly when independence means, unlike what Brexit meant… which was anything from Norway to WTO.

              We must be absolutely certain that no lone lies about how fantastic it will be, unlike Brexit which we all know had no down side, and the UK held all the cards.

              And we need to be absolutely certain that the deal is on the table and unchangeable so, for Brexit. So that we know what we are against. Equally we need as near categorical assurances as we can have from the EU that what many people, including Guy Verhofstadt has said, which is that we can pretty rapidly re-become a member of the EU.

              And that is going to take a clarification of the currency issue.

              I don’t envy the lot of the politicians who have to put it all together.

              But this much know, we have a very much more competent team that May had/has.

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              1. We mustn’t get hung up on details. The currency questions is actually a non-issue – see below. Anyway, at some point, assuming the regime carries on the way it is going, the pound is going to tank at some point. At which point we probably won’t be thinking in terms of getting the Scottish people to accept a Scottish pound on par with the English one, but facing a clamour to break the link.

                I am so fed up with people who keep quacking on that Scotland will have to join the euro. I have given up contesting it anywhere because those who say it are either irretrievably dense, impervious to facts, or have a hidden agenda. I mean, they can’t ALL be SIU trolls, can they?

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                1. It’s been made plain over and over that m we must state that it is our intention one day someday to look at using the Euro, butto join the Euro we must be a member of the ERM (is that right) for two years… and there is no obligation ever to join the ERM.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Exchange_Rate_Mechanism

                  You are right. They are either thick or being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

                  Frankly, I see no real problems with joining the €.

                  Interesting piece:

                  https://wingsoverscotland.com/an-empty-quiver/

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                  1. I get frustrated about this issue too – the question of a central / reserve bank for the currency. What people forget – even Stu Campbell – is that we already have one: the Central Reserve Bank of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly but erroneously called the Bank of England. It’s a triffic piece of propaganda, really: they call it that, whether by accident or design, and the rest of us think it doesn’t belong to us.

                    The English think they own it lock, stock and barrel. They do not. We own our share of it, however you want to do the pro rata. So we hive off our bit and start running it from Edinburgh – regardless of the physical location of the rest of it.

                    And yes, it really can be that simple. If it truly were the Bank of England only, surely we would have a Bank of Scotland that actually was the Central Bank of Scotland and not just another High Street bank (along with all its other tentacles)?

                    Again, the principle is simple and clear: we want our bit of the Bank of England, whose reserves will be, pro rata, at the same level for Scotland as the current Bank of England’s reserves are to the UK as a whole.

                    A note on negotiating tactics: if one side wants confusion and delay to avoid having to do something it doesn’t want to do but its reasons for not wanting to do it are not something they necessarily want to see the light of day – start getting into the details before the overall aim or goal has been properly stated. Give them an inch and they’ll tie you down in red tape like Gulliver in Lilliput.

                    That’s the currency and the reserves sorted, so my satisfaction, anyway. I note, by the way, that Stu Campbell comes to the same conclusion I did just now that the Scottish pound should be pegged to the rUK one, at least to begin with. Thereafter is thereafter, there is inevitably going to be a period of transition and shakedown – but the only change that there will certainly and necessarily be is that any decisions we take on the currency, as in so many other matters, will be made in the best interests of Scotland, not the best interests of England. We mustn’t allow ourselves to be sidetracked, diverted, deflected, and bogged down in detail.

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                    1. It would be good to make the Scots pound worth 1.10 to the PomPound just for the sheer psychological effect.

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            2. A number of things are certain. First is “Scotland can do better than this”. That’s an easy one, because it could hardly do worse.

              The Westminster regime is currently weak, directionless and preoccupied with Brexit over all else. I don’t know if Sun Tzu has anything to say about it or not, but if you have a fight on your hands, then the best time to strike is surely when your enemy is in precisely that state.

              Clarity: we are not going to get clarity out of the regime. That much has become pretty evident. It is maddening to have the fate of our nation be contingent on the actions an inactions of a regime that is so nakedly unfit for purpose. The situation could, however be used as an opportunity: a Gordian knot approach. Say “Scotland deserves better than this” and “Let us make our own choices from now on”.

              The rest is process – and we must not allow the opposition to use that to try to stand in our way. “Which currency will we use – you cannot tell us! Aha!” The answer “We will use whatever currency we damn well please within reason, and will decide which in the light of our own best interests at the earliest opportunity. We will not do change for the sake of change, but neither do we want our economic choices to be dictated in any way by the English Treasury of the Bank of England” is true, but not as snappy…

              The question is still the basic one of “Should Scotland be an independent country?”. Keep it simple. Attempts to complicate and divert and deflect must be resisted…

              I’m not up to part right now, so my ramblings are less coherent even than usual. Sorry.

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    1. Alex,

      Thanks for this:

      “At the risk of stating the obvious, the only answer for us is independence.”

      We are desperately in need of that solution. And that solution appears to me to be creeping, oh so slowly, up in the more recent polls.

      I hope that we do indeed make it as clear as day that whatever the next election claims to be about that it is really about independence. And that the Scottish electorate will not be denied.

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      1. Thanks Douglas. Again a personal opinion. I’ve had enough. After yesterday’s fudge, I’ve had more than enough. To hell with strategy. Maybe that’s just a knee jerk reaction to the latest shambolic outcome, and cooler heads will prevail, but as far as I am concerned, Nicola’s tweet that “Scotland’s interests must be protected”, doesn’t go far enough.
        Our “interests” have never been protected, and never will, as long as the ultimate power remains at Westminster. As it has been over centuries, our resources, whether it be our people, or our natural wealth, will be continually plundered by governments south of the border, no matter who is in power.
        We have just over six months to detach ourselves from this insanity, and if the people of Scotland don’t take this opportunity, if given, to make ourselves an independent nation once again, then they deserve to reap the catastrophe that awaits.

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  7. So they kicked the can down the road. Macron talks tough before caving in to the British though….every single time. Are the Europeans terrified of a no-deal Brexit, or are they just wusses by nature?

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    1. They’re hoping for regime change, Danny. Also, they are trying to work in the best interests of all European citizens, and that includes not only people in the other EU States whose interests will be harmed by Brexit, but the European citizens who are also subjects of Her Maj.

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        1. Yes Ed, I can appreciate that the Europeans are trying to be responsible; but surely there’s a limit. I’ve lost count of the times that the EU has declared that the final agreement has been reached, and that there’s no possibility of additional negotiations and no more time before the final exit date, which is set in stone. Then Parliament votes no, tells Theresa May to go back for more, she actually does, and…….wait for it………the Europeans say OK! They welcome her back with open arms for more “talks,” and grant her an extension to whatever NEW, FINAL exit date (newly set in stone) that she requires.

          This really does look like the Keystone Cops, with pretty much equal madness on BOTH sides of the Channel.

          It IS fun to watch Macron declare that THIS time he will not accommodate the Brits with any further negotiations and delays……until of course he does……EVERY single time!

          Nothing this crazy ever happens in Washington of course, and I hope that the situation does not deteriorate to the point it becomes necessary for our Mr. Trump to mediate the Brexit negotiations. 😉

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          1. The thing is, Danny. Tusk has repeated that he will not change the text of the agreement. And he hasn’t.

            Mrs May keeps begging for another chance to get it through her parliament, by changing a few words here or there, or talking about the future declaration, all of which is non-binding.

            And parliament keeps telling her to bugger off.

            The issue is the backstop… the Irish problem. Super complicated by the fact that she held a GE which she lost and had to go into coalition with the DUP to get anything done.

            Her party is at war; she’s trying to get the Labour Party to support her. The Labour Party is at war.

            Britain is divided. Scotland, NI and Gibraltar don’t want this. England and Wales wanted something but not THIS.

            The emotion on the streets in some places in England is pure hatred.

            The EU act as one, but obviously there is difference between countries. Merkel is more conciliatory with May than Macron. (Macron is probably very pissed at the Brits because the monumental idiot of a trade secretary, Liam Fox) made a very rude comment about Macron’s wife ( who is far older than him)… to the effect that he was sleeping with his grandmother. (Fox, needless to say, should be very careful about criticising other people’s relationships).

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        2. I think Donald Tusk, Michel Barnier and the other EU leaders are saints.

          Imagine putting up with this dithering woman taking 18 months to even come up with a proposal for leaving, then when she does, she is stopped by a bunch of people ranging from religious zealots from NI to right wing nut jobs like JRM.

          Frankly I’d have given up on her by now and told her to bugger off.

          I still think regime change is more likely after the exit. Mrs May makes a mess and then someone else tries to fix it.

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          1. WOW Tris……I bet that making cracks about a guy’s wife in not exactly recommendation number 1 in the textbook of international diplomacy. 😉

            I guess the Europeans are doing the best they can under the circumstances, but it does seem that by being so publicly reasonable and accommodating the Europeans only seem to be encouraging the antics of Parliament. I wonder if they will even have it sorted come next October.

            Nevertheless, kicking the can down the road does seem to be a time honored political tactic when all else fails.

            It caught the attention of SNL last Saturday night, but Kate McKinnon is too attractive to play Theresa May, and it’s way too sympathetic to her. 🙂

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            1. Pretty funny Danny, but like you say, she doesn’t really have the May hard ass look.

              The job is impossible of course. Like I said, everything in these islands is split. The Lib Dems, Plaid, SNP and Greens are solidly against Brexit. But they are small parties. The DUP is solidly FOR and they are only significant in any way because Theresa paid them several billion in bribes to support her… which they aren’t doing, but they kept the money anyway.

              There is the most huge amount of anger on both sides, from those who desperately want to stay, and from those utterly determined to leave. I don’t think it is too bad in Scotland, but in some parts of England, they are spitting feathers at each other.

              It’s a hateful atmosphere and I’m not sure how long it will be before it can be put back together.

              I suspect that the Tory Party may split; maybe Labour too.

              It’s my hope that NI will opt to join the Republic and that and Scotland will leave the UK.

              I hope Wales will join us and leave an angry country to get on with its anger.

              A recent poll showed that in England a new vote would produce a 55% stay; 45% leave result.

              In Scotland “remain” was over 70%.

              If anyone has details of the poll (to see what the numbers were and how reliable it is) please post a link.

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              1. I can’t feel sorry for May. She was determined to be PM… had been since university.

                She knew or should have known, what she was getting into. Presumably, she thought she could cope.

                She was very very wrong.

                Like I say, I doubt if a competent leader could have steered her way through this, but god knows, May is anything but competent. Just absolutely the wrong person for the job. She lies and cheats and gets people’s backs up… even her own cabinet hates her.

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    2. Macron probably caved to Merkel, a far more formidable person than the Maybot.

      I think the Europeans know that a no deal Brexit, far from being better than a bad deal, as May suggested, is going to be horrific for everyone.

      Trade between EU states is very important, and Britain is a big market with 65 million people, albeit that many of them live on the breadline.

      So Europe will work hard to get the deal that they signed with May (remember the Brits agreed to this) through.

      It’s not a good deal, but Mrs May is hampered by the DUP and the ERG.

      And, of course, her innate inability to get anything right. Ever.

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  8. On BREXIT, I have totally lost the plot.

    We appear to be a nation (Scotland) at birth that want’s to be European, whilst we are attached to a nation that wants to be, well what exactly?

    It seems from reliable sources – my son – that we have a stay of execution until November or thereabouts.

    What are we Scots going to use that time for?

    I would suggest that we really need to exercise every road to independence that we can contemplate. For instance the forthcoming MEP elections should require every Green and SNP candidate to say unequivocally that they are standing for independence. No if’s or but’s just say it.

    Equally that has to be the statement at any general election. I expect Theresa’s government to fall and be replaced with further right wing lunatics….

    We, independenista’s have a chance right now to win our freedom and then decide what to do with it.

    Breaking free of Westminster would be a great start.

    Views?

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      1. Spotted at the end of that article Tris (may not be true, though it sounds likely): “The 27 remaining EU member states are now offering to extend the Brexit deadline until October 31, with a “break clause” of June 30 where British co-operation will be reviewed.”

        The bit about the “break clause”, I mean. How humiliating … “behave yourselves, or we will pull the plug on you”.

        I don’t suppose that message will percolate into whatever passes for brains among those who talk about plucky little England “crushing” dastardly Johnny Foreigner. As so often over both the EU and Scotland, May herself and the Westminster regime in general have been warned time after time after time what the end result will be if they persist in their ridiculous, delusional, gratuitously offensive and frankly idiotic conduct, but they are self-evidently impervious to reason.

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        1. Well, I don’t blame the EU for that.

          England is supposed to be one of the countries that run the world. Yet it has proved over and over that it isn’t equal to the task of extracting itself from the EU.

          It reminds me of an unruly 16 year old who can’t be trusted to do its homework and has to be checked-up upon by older siblings…. and some younger ones too.

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    1. Oh and yes. I don;t think it would be unreasonable to make sure that Green and SNP candidates are all about independence, becasue with only a few week/months to their tenure, they can’t really be about much EU business.

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      1. I just think that they should ‘front and centre’ it. Perhaps now really is ‘our time’?

        I have, sort of, always known that we were being led – at Westminster – by a self serving bunch of lunatics. Do nuclear missiles on the Clyde outweigh which currency we have? Apparently not, though I sang along with a lot of Labour Party members about getting rid of US WMDs. Where are those people now? Probably in the Lords. And singing to a different tune.

        Do you think a General Election might happen within the next six months? I have been thinking what might trigger it and there seems to be too many reasons agin. I kind of expect that May will let the clock run down to midnight, yet again.

        UK government is in a complete mess, IMVHO. Nichola needs to point that out at every opportunity. Starting with the EU elections, which is sort of symbolic maybe?

        ———————–

        Perhaps:

        https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-trp-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=trp&p=I+want+to+be+free#id=1&vid=ae8f68430e9c758955a3fd5f176cf365&action=view

        Though the video element is tatty.

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        1. LOL @ video.

          I dunno about an election. It’s the last thing that the Tories want, and probably Labour too, and you need their voted to get an election through parliament.

          All the SNP and Green members and supporters need to keep pointing out what a complete joke the government in London is.

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        2. I’ve been banging on about the absolute necessity for Scotland to hold EU elections next month whatever happens in the rUK. They – I’m thinking Alyn Smith – must make it very clear to the European Parliament that Scotland wants to remain and the EU Parliament should therefore commit itself to allowing the Scottish MEP’s to continue to sit in the Parliament even after Brexit, perhaps with observer status, i.e., without the right to vote. That way our voice could continue to be heard.

          With any luck, of course, the First Minister and her Government will have organized an independence referendum by then and we shall win. My own preference is that the EU elections should be used as a proxy for a referendum – after all, in a general election, all votes are counted, and we must seize every possible opportunity to put the question to the voters. Also, there is no chance that the Unionists can reasonably boycott a legally impeccable democratic exercise. It’s not so clear what they’d do in the event of European elections held in Scotland but not in the rUK.

          We have to seize the moment before the deadline of Halloween may see us out of the EU and having to either apply to get back in, or argue about our successor State status / continuing membership by our oft-expressed national will.

          Complication: I have seen a reference to a review of the Westminster regime’s performance which is to be held on 30 June. I have seen only one reference to that so far – in the newspaper article Tris referenced earlier – so if a referendum is to be held, it should be before then.

          In which event, and to avoid Voter Fatigue, with the European elections on 23 May- is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the independence referendum could be held at the same time and in the same polling places? Apart from anything else, it would, I think, be a deterrent against pauchling, jiggery-pokery and skulduggery… especially if we invite in European observers to look at all stages of the count, and leap onto such phenomena as suspiciously large numbers of absentee ballots from, oh, care facilities for the dementing elderly. No intention to make a joke of that, by the way, I’ve had to deal with that in my own family too.

          If we’re to do that, it behooves us to get moving on it pronto, i.e., before the party conference later this month. I would expect the party conference to ratify / adopt / approve such a step even post facto, as we all know that there is growing pressure from the membership in that direction anyway.

          Do we need Westminster’s permission to do this? I do not believe that there is any need or requirement on us to get a §30 order out of Westminster; May was asked for one ages ago, she refused to provide one and did not formally answer, as far as I am aware, so we must work on the assumption of tacit consent. Let the regime contest it if they will – and see where it gets them. Try to quash a democratic exercise? The Spanish Government did it, and has been doused with opprobrium ever since, even after Rajoy was ousted, even though they had a constitutional excuse to fall back on.

          As for the Westminster regime, They didn’t ask the EU for permission to hold a Brexit referendum (which they did in defiance of Scotland’s wishes); so who the hell do They think They are to try to deny us the right to even ask ourselves the question about our exercising our right to national self-determination? The hell with Them – They’re incompetent lunatics, and They don’t have a leg to stand on here.

          “Behooves”, by the way, is a verb which means that if you don’t do whatever it is, you deserve to have a blacksmith come up behind you and hammer a red-hot horseshoe into your foot with very large and angular nails.

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          1. Well, as the MEPs may not take their seats, and if they do will be paid off by November (probably), in the rUK I reckon the elections will be a second referendum on Brexit.

            In Scotland, where we already rejected Brexit, I think it will probably end up being about independence.

            I mean we aren’t voting as to how we can steer the future of the EU, are we?

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            1. Doesn’t matter to me what the English / rUK MEPs do – though if Farage is still there (?), I expect he’ll do the minimum necessary just so he can collect his salary and bump up his pension pot a bit more.

              Whatever happens, our SNP MEPs simply must be present and make their voices heard – and under no circumstances should they ask permission from the Westminster regime to do so. No, they should ask the European Parliament, and the European Parliament alone. And if the European Parliament is not permitted to pay their salaries, then they should be paid by us, as the are our elected representatives in Europe, not Westminster’s, so we must pay them even if our status as a member State is still fluid.

              The philosophy of the SNP and the Scottish Government should be to operate on the principle that they should do what is best for the people of Scotland regardless of whether Westminster thinks it should or not: make the regime take action if it doesn’t like what we do, and we’ll see just how well Their objections hold up under the light of day. Not very well, on past showing. We must behave to the extent possible as if we were already independent – and put the ball in Westminster’s court to justify trying to stand in the way of our choices.

              In Scotland, the Scottish people are sovereign.

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                1. Thank you, Tris! It occurs to me that if the May elections are held throughout the UK and England sends over a whole crowd of Nigels, and we in Scotland do as I imagine most if not all Munguinites expect us to do, then the contrast between the two groups could not be starker – and our people must shine a spotlight on it at every available opportunity. Whether that would be as much of a PR and political gift to us as Scotland holding EU elections and the rUK not – well, either way is good. Who the hell knows what Westminster is going to do anyway; no one can tell because the regime itself hasn’t a clue. So – I am hoping that the Scottish Government announces that we are going ahead with them and make the necessary arrangements, and let Westminster stew in its own juice or try to tell us we’re not allowed to. Either way would be good for us.

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  9. There obviously are some, but I don’t understand how anyone can vote for the SNP and not realise they are for Independence? Why vote SNP if you don’t want independence?

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    1. I see what you are saying, but, in fairness, I reckon some may becasue the SNP produces the best government. Can you imagine Leonard or Davidson as FM, and their (largely) third rate MSPs filling cabinet posts? With REAL responsibility?

      In both cases, policies would come pretty much direct from London. That is to say Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May. Jeeez.

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      1. Scotland was a mess when run by Labour or Tories (south and north). And would be again if they were to ever get their wee hands on it again.
        Maybe some do vote for SNP only because they produce the best government, but if you believe they are doing the best now, would you not trust them to do even better with complete control? And therefore vote for independence? Hopefully more and more are coming round to this way of thinking.

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        1. Oh I certainly do.

          Our health, education, law and order, etc are better than the rUK because of sound management. I’d love them to take over defence and constitution, etc.

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  10. Tatu3,

    Let’s hope so.

    I dunno, but the people of Scotland appear to be becoming a bit exasperated with the HoC.

    I, for one, see the HoC as a Monty Python skit. Which is a tad dangerous, because these fools still reign over us. It is unhealthy to see your opponents as drunk, Etonian idiots, because these folk retain the power. Which is, kind of, maddening. Personally, I wouldn’t give any of them the time of day.

    I’ll give you this:

    https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-trp-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=trp&p=The+Animals+You%27ve+got+to+get+out+of+this+place#id=51&vid=06e1fe4cf0a466a2dc77488151f790eb&action=click

    I know, it is becoming stale, and there are other songs. Promise, I will not inflict that on any Munguinite until we actually have our liberty.

    “My hair is turning grey”

    That’s me!

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