Ross Thomson, the poor man’s Boris Rees-Fox, has taken to Twitter in a l-o-n-g rant about the mess that May is making of Brexit.
To be fair to him some of what he says is quite true.
There is a relatively limitless amount that you could say/write about his points. Munguin has made one or two obvious comments. We’d be happy to hear any of yours.
Ross is in black; Munguin’s in red.
The PM pledged to end the rule of EU judges but Chequers means the ECJ will be the final arbiter in disputes about our £39bn Brexit bill, whether U.K. services regulation is deemed “equivalent” and the wider workings of Brexit. This means ECJ jurisdiction in perpetuity.
As I said above.
The prize of Brexit is regaining our ability to sign new trade deals. However, being aligned to the EU’s regulations makes a fee (sic) trade deal with the US difficult. The US will expect mutual recognition of each other’s regulatory standards which we won’t be able to offer
Again, I can see that that would appeal to the hard right. I suspect that most people would rather have the far stricter European standards. OK, it’s a lot of bother, but hygiene is hygiene and safety does matter. There won’t be much mutuality in the deal with Trump’s “America First” America, given that Trump is a businessman first and foremost, and he knows that the UK is screamingly desperate for a deal. Any Deal … But the fact that you mention it shows that you are quite prepared to meet the standards of America, but unwilling to do the same for Europe. Is this the Thatcher “English speaking nations of the world” thing?
Brexit means taking back control of our borders. Yet a mobility agreement with the EU will again mean preferential treatment for EU nationals and even the White Paper indicates continued access to benefits for EU citizens after Brexit.
If you are going to have a mobility with Ireland you probably have to have it with the rest of Europe. In any case, Britain could always have had stricter immigration from Europe. Othe European countries have. UK was just too lazy to set up a system which recorded and dealt with unemployed immigrants. There is a time limit on most immigration in Europe.
We are told that the Chequers Plan should just be accepted (despite how bad it is) because no alternative plans have been submitted. This is total rubbish. Here are the alternatives:
Status Quo Comprehensive Free Trade Deal (preferred by all sides) DExEU plan (worked on by David Davis based on the widely welcomed mansion house speech)
Chequers Plan (which pleases no one)
WTO rules (On which we already do trade with the US and China)
Can you let us know what all of these would cost us?
The Government should focus on the issues around the border between the U.K. and Ireland in order to secure an Advanced Free Trade Agreement (CETA +++). Currently a border already exists – in currency, VAT, excise duties and security which do not present any problems.
Using new technology as well as extending schemes such as the Authorised Economic Operator Scheme means any post Brexit customs checks can be done without a hard border. The EU insists on customs checks but in reality, no U.K. or Irish govt would ever accept a hard border.
But, hasn’t Mrs May admitted that this technology doesn’t exist? Even if it did it would be horrendously expensive to install. Do you know how many crossings there are on the 310-mile border? 275. That’s a lot of crossings to man. And the Irish would have to agree and to pay its share.
Remember thar (sic) the Chequers Plan is not a deal. It’s an opening offer to the EU to be compromised and watered down. Already the EU is pushing the UK towards a combination of EEA and Customs Union membership which is an unacceptable undermining of the vote public vote to leave.
That’s true. Barnier has already rejected it. You really can’t have that cake you just ate. We do not hold all the cards and this is not the easiest thing ever.
The commitments, promises and pledges given either at the dispatch box or in speeches by the PM have now “evolved”. In cute language that means the Chequers plan hands away the prizes of Brexit. We will have the status quo but worse off. It’s not in the country’s best interests.
But all the plans for Brexit leave your constituents worse off. Show me one that doesn’t.
Certainly, a Norway style deal is what some of your Tories would call, the worst of all worlds. You pay (without rebate), you follow the rules, you have almost no say at all in what these rules are, or who else gets to join, and you more or less accept the four freedoms and the jurisdiction of ECJ. Plus there is no farming payment, no social fund, no structural fund…
Don’t just take my word for it. The Times recently reported that “By more than two to one, voters do not believe [Theresa May’s] plan keeps faith with the referendum result.” Polling since Chequers shows the Conservatives have averaged 37% and not led Labour in a single poll.
The plan is crap. No doubt about that. It’s already been rejected by Barnier, so it’s not going to happen. Mrs May is not going to get big votes. She personally is as popular as …well, you know the expression (and we have young readers of sensitive dispositions). But Corbyn is no better. His party is just as riven as yours. I’ve yet to see an idea come from them.
We’re told to back Chequers or we’ll get Corbyn. That’s ridiculous. In reality if we don’t deliver Brexit fully we will lose seats like Mansfield, Middlesbrough, Banff and Buchan and much more. To fail on Brexit will usher in the chaos of Corbyn message
Are you suggesting that the Tory/DUP messages aren’t just as chaotic?
There is still time to ditch Chequers and take a different approach to deliver the Brexit articulated so well by the PM at Lancaster House. It’s right that colleagues have voiced concern and I’ll work with them to constructively engage with the government for it to change course.
Before Monsieur Barnier and his colleagues can give a definitive answer to the UK, it would help if he thought that there wasn’t going to be another general election and that the governing party weren’t tearing each other’s eyes out, stabbing each other in the back and pissing on each other’s chips… and bowing to the pressures of a loonie right-wing faction whose swivvel-eyed support they purchased with a not inconsiderable amount of OUR money. Think about it. You guys would the laughing stock of the world if Trump weren’t a much more important fool.
And people voted for this arsehole? (Ladies, I tried to think of a nicer word for him, but I’m naw a liar.)
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Yep, they did… and frighteningly he’s not one of the members that is likely to lose his seat.
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trispw, please tell me you are kidding.
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Sorry, Tree.
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A l o n g rant right enough from Ross.
Just wondering IF he stepped back, thought it from a Scotland perspective and fairness.
His answer would be IF all my arguments are solidly based in reality, then Scotland should be an independent country, able to have a grown up conversation about the world, then decide it’s future.
All his points about how unfair the EU in charge is to englandlland, apply in full measure to the colony a part of which he is supposed to represent.
He is after a bigger career move I suspect, thinks his pal gove is next PM and he will be the new colonial governor general.
IMO
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Jeez, Dave, that would take some logical thinking.
I think he is ambitious. Stupid, but ambitious.
A dangerous combination in a party so bereft of any intellectual talent.
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Ross would rather have a more powerful Hoover than a more efficient vacuum cleaner to clean up the moronic shit pile he’s just left on Theresa May’s carpet. The boy’s as loyal as, as, a Boris Johnson.
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When I first heard about the ban on these powerful hoovers, I went looking for a spare that I could keep, because I really like a powerful hoover. I thought I would buy one while I could.
An assistant in the Factory Shop explained to me that the new ones would be every bit as effective, just use less power to do the same job.
I might direct Mr Ross to the excellent and knowledgeable Factory Shop.
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Poor guy. Wouldn’t X Factor have been an easier route to fame and attention.
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Yes, but, let’s be honest, you have to have a modicum of talent to get on that.
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Seems to me that the TWAT who passes as an MP is more concerned about NOT being able to curtsey, sorry bow and tug his forelock … on second thoughts I was right first time … curtsey at the feet of the Grand Orange One!
He does seem to be rather perturbed about Feartie’s latest rendition of WE are leaving the club and WE will determine all the rules therein. It is just a pity he is completely deaf to the reality of the situation in that Michael Barnier has already told Feartie to take a long walk off a short pier with her latest rendition.
The White paper was sunk even before reaching Brussels so Thompson should concern himself with what is left for his corrupt broken union instead of bleating into the wind about something that will NOT happen. There again he is one of the “Colonel’s” utterly useless disrespectful 13 poodles so I guess actually expecting him to do ANYTHING useful is being a bit far fetched I guess.
I wonder at which point in time this Muppet will realise that his corrupt party is taking this broken union through a NO DEAL Brexit!
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Well, just say what you mean, and don’t hold back, Arbroath… Oh yeah, you just did. 🙂
Yes, he’s making all this noise about something which has already been rejected.
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Bear in mind, Comrade Trump is a bad businessman (who loses money owning a casino?) and lousy negotiator so a hypothetical US-rUK trade deal could be the first one ever in which both parties lose.
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Aye, well, I guess that is true. But crap though he may be, surely when he sees a wounded beast heading his way he won’t roll over, will he?
I never thought that the special relationship meant diddly squat.
Except when America wants the UK to do something.
Now I expect Trump’s negotiators to walk all over the British negotiators.
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Trump’s sole interest is himself and what benefits himself; he won’t give a rip for what might be best for the country — mine or yours. In the end, the question of who rolls over firstest and farthest will depend on which party is more desperate for a deal.
And remember that Congress has a say in approval of trade deals; if Democrats are in control of the Senate next year, any US/rUK trade deal will be under an electron microscope. (As of today, the odds of the Senate flipping are better than I thought they’d be, but I wouldn’t bet on it … yet.) My guess from here is that a trade deal is far from a sure thing.
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Yes, I guess it is.
The UK is absolutely desperate. If for nothing else, they told us it was be easy to make trade deals. Indeed I remember reading Daily Mail?) that countries would be queuing up to do trade deals with us, and that they would be better than the ones the EU had made. Loonie nonsense of course, but they are counting on a brilliant deal with America, and I just don’t see it happening.
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Off topic. The Tories in Scotland just made REAL fools of themselves after they criticised the Scottish Justice system for releasing a prisoner on licence.
He raped a woman while on parole.
This is not an unreasonable criticism, although anyone who has worked with people will know that one can never be 100% sure of rehabilitation.
However, in the case of Mark Arnott, the Tory spokesman, Liam Kerr, tried to make political capital out of it. and it backfired most horrendously when it was revealed that the man had been released by the English legal system in Southampton. You know that good old English legal system overseen by THE TORIES.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/698270/tories-criticise-snp-for-dundee-rapist-being-freed-but-he-was-released-from-jail-in-england/
These people are amateurs when it comes to being in opposition. Just what would they be like in government?
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Imagine how long they would last if we had a decent mainstream media doing it’s job and publicly challenging their pish. The government would be a much fitter healthier animal than the inept, corrupt, privileged POS we are subject to just now.
As an example of this, I see that the lovely Esther McVey is telling young folk to go get a summer job.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/07/31/esther-mcvey-just-insulted-everyone-in-austerity-ravaged-britain/
I wonder what form the beebs forensic analysis of her great new initiative will take?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bc2nb8
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I’ve not yet listened to Radio Wales, but the Canary article is excellent.
All these tweets are excellent.
Thanks for sharing.
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When you remember that Scotland’s unionists are now in government with Ireland’s,these sort of insane,delusional statements start to make some sense.
As usual,unfortunately,it says more about the people who elect them to office than the messengers.
What a sad bunch.
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Brilliant takedown.
That twitter thread reads like a schoolboy project gone wrong. I can’t believe that the “WTO rules” argument is trotted out again and again. WTO rules don’t legally provide for very much at all. If they provided what he thinks they do we’d be forced to buy our baby formula from China. I’m sure even Ross Thomson doesn’t want that.
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Thank you.
He is like a school boy. He reminds me of the headboy, desperately trailing after Mr Rees Mogg (History), Mr Gove (Biology), Mr Johnson (Latin) and trying to be like them.
He’d have to cosy up to Mrs May (Geography) to find out where China was.
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Surely Johnson is on business studies.
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Ah well, maybe… but aren’t they all business studies as subsidiary subjects. I mean Rees Mogg has his hedge fund business and that nice Mr Redwood too. And Mr Farage, the German teacher, he used to work in the City!!
I just have memories of Johnson doing “The Greats” at Oxford, and spouting off about Cicero, Plautus and Virgil like some latter-day Enoch Powell.
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If the stories about moving markets with polling data are true, then Farage has no need to work ever again.
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Yep… he used to talk about being broke… and now he says things have “got better”.
Hmmmmm
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Yep… he used to talk about being broke… and now he says things have “got better”.
Hmmmmm
Children, Mr Farage will be leaving us at the end of term having fortuitously ‘come into’ a large sum of money from an aged relative … or something.
We probably won’t replace him as he imparted little in the way of wisdom and spent most of his time in the smoking shelter, down the pub, or for some reason which we admit, completely defeated us, appearing in Question Time on the BBC.
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Tris
Running order on english radio 4 this morning , early news.
Jeremy corbyn’s apology, nearly 90 seconds.
Then increase in number of grammer schools to get share of £200m from the magic money tree.
Preliminary results from election confirm our analysis about who will win.
Nothampton Council in difficulties after 4 months of new finantial year.
Drug company has increased it’s stockpile of insulin to 14 weeks, due to brexit.
Not a thing on McVey or Thomson, an interview with the Austian foreign minister about giving Barnier a less rigid set of guidelines, cut off early as the lady said he’s got an agreed set of guidelines from the 27, No more time, Nik cuts her off.
Of course it’s english news although broadcast to the UK.
Nearly a half of the time spent on Corbyn’s apology.
Masters of Propaganda= EBC
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I used to like the Today Programme.
But as you say, it is an English programme going out across the UK.
It seems to me that the only time Scotlan is mentioned is when they want to blame something on us, or something has gone wrong… The Glasgow CRM fire is the last time I heard the country mentioned.
Recently the probation service, privatised by walking disaster, Chris Grayling, had to be re-nationalised (Graying having been moved from prisons to make a complete mess of transport). No mention was made of the fact that this was England only (although I note from the clip Greig12 sent, that it is happening separately in Wales).
No mention of the fact that this had nothing to do with Scotland.
One of many examples.
I’ve no idea if Mr Corbyn is or isn’t anti Semitic, but they are making a HUGE song and dance over it. Not saying how many of the Tory party are vehemently anti-Muslim though, are they?
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And forgot
NOT a mention about Serco changing the Doorlocks of asylum seekers in Glasgow and District to increase the number of rough sleepers.
One of the many promises the the Maybot said she would sort out, oh aye, we’ll just export them to somewhere else.
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It’s been really good to see the Glasgow people’s representatives come together to stop this. Green, Labour, Liberal, SNP. Of course no Tories.
But, I’d say to the Labour and Liberal people. Thank you for your support, but please, we need to power in Scotland to deal with this ourselves.
Serco are a walking embodiment of BAD.
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Those rants from Ross don’t make sense.
In fact I’d go so far as to say they’re anti-semantic.
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lol
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Tris
The man is a plank and an awful MP. I cannot believe that his being elected was just a vote for anything in a butchers apron. The sooner we are shot of this clown the better, just another Westminster servant in Scotland. As far as the EU is concerned it is a double edged sword really, the Tories have pretty much f everything up and are very weak with the EU knowing that. Labour have no EU policy that makes any sense at all and are out their depth, they are the worst version of the Labour Party I can remember, the Liberals don’t matter so the shambles continues. Now there is a part of me that thinks there could be another referendum held to remain, the result would be close, but a remain vote could/would kill of any indy2 which I also think some in the SNP would be happy about. But then there is the other thing I believe and that is that the more Brexit hurts the more likely indy2 happens, and the more people suffer they have less to lose and a yes vote becomes very close indeed. It’s a shambles but whatever happen I do hope the Tory party descends into civil war, Labour in power would be as shambolic or worse and that will send yet another message to the no voters.
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I agree completely with that.
I really don’t wish harm on the UK, particularly lots of good mates from England, but it looks like they are hell bent on suicide.
At some point even the most ardent unionist has to see that we either bale or go do with the ship.
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Ross Thomson, the idiot’s idiot. I wish him and his ilk would piss off and go work for the Donald and gie us aw peace.
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Or really anywhere else?
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