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MUNGUIN'S NEW REPUBLIC 
Nailed it.
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Frighteningly, it has done just that!
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“Frighteningly” is dead right, tris. I’ve always seen Brexit as a nightmare but the nearer we get to leaving, the more terrifying the nightmare becomes and the people who won’t/can’t wake up from this nightmare are the Brexiteers and, of course, the Tory government. Frankly, I think it beggars belief that they think we can come out of this scenario as anything other than total losers. Bojo sneeringly telling the EU it can “whistle for” our money, Davis in the House today laughing away at Labour’s attacks as if it’s all a big joke – I could list all their crass and arrogant stupidities for days (but I’ll spare you, as I’m sure you know them as well as I). The Tories talk of “frictionless trade” with the E.U. after we’ve left the single market! They say they want a “frictionless border” between Eire and N.I. after we’ve left the customs union. The only thing that’s going to be “frictionless” is the U.K’s plunge over the cliff post-Brexit. I know that I, like many others, post jokey comments here but, in honesty, I believe that post-Brexit there’ll be little scope for humour. This country is headed for a disaster of almost unimaginable scale and the fact that the Government and a large proportion of the population are still cheerleading for this catastrophic rupture with the E.U. fills me with despair and a nagging foreboding about where the disillusioned idiots who did want Brexit will take us next. It certainly won’t be to the sunny uplands of Glorious Brexitania.
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Brilliant, Andi.
It’s frightening that the popular press are still telling people how wonderful it is all going to be.
And people aren’t really aware of what NO DEAL actually means.
Someone pointed out that, given the demographics of the vote many of the people who voted for it won;t be here to suffer the consequences.
Already they are talking about the EU being out to punish the UK. But I don;t think they are. There is a clear set of rules for leaving the EU. The EU is following them.
Out morons are sitting on the sidelines, not having done impact assessments.
May is such a weak prime minister she can’t even get her people to sing from the same hymn book, never mind the same sheet.
It seems to me that you can be in the club, pay your membership fees and take part in the running of it, or you can be a signed in guest like Norway, and get some of the benefits, but pay a very high guest fee, or you can leave the club and never go back. In which case you will get none of the benefits.
And then they tell us that America and Australia will save our bacon. I suppose a drowning man will cling to whatever there is. But Trump promises?
Scotland will want out by the end of this. Because although we will all be in it, you can bet your butt we will not all be in it together.
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This could apply just as well to your previous post, tris –
Big fat Bojo, hair like a haystack
Told the E.U. that there’ll be no payback.
“They can whistle for their money”, he told his braying Tory chums
But he’ll be the one whistling when the final bill comes.
He thinks this Brexit-thingy’s just one big lark
But like the rest of the U.K, he’ll be whistling in the dark.
As Europe’s door closes, he’ll hear the shout,
“As you leave, Little Britain, please put the lights out!”
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Well said Andimac. Brexit is economic lunacy, and it’s being enacted by lunatics at Westminster who couldn’t give a toss about real people who will bear the brunt of their actions.
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Good point, Alex. The people who are making a mess of this have an escape route.
Boris has more money than enough.
A home in the Bahamas beckons.
Although he may have to charter a boat to take him to Ireland to get a flight!
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Rolling around laughing there, Andi!
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You’ve succeeded in as few words as possible to encapsulate the lunacy of it. To continue along this path means we’re Fcuk’d
It’s a stitch up guvner and no mistake.
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LOL. I was discussing this with my mum yesterday. She said (and it’s very rare for her) we’re buggered.
I said, well, I guess that word will do, although I’m thinking of something little stronger.
I think you nailed it there.
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That! That’s it!
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More or less.
Don’t you think that in the earlier stages, when Cameron went to see if he could get other EU leaders to see what could be done to prevent the referendum, if he had been a bit more skillful and a little less British Bulldog, we might not be in this mess?
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Typical that they don’t know how to spell Schengen.
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lol
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Says it all, doesn’t it?
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Next Monday David Davis will be asked if UK will accept the EU’s position on protecting EU citizens’ rights post Brexit. This is a reciprocity of the EU’s position of full protection and adjudication by ECHR.
An agreement is required to progress to different topics.
Either T May hauls up the white flag and effectively surrenders or E Parliament will vote the deal down and some Countries will veto the whole deal.
Next week will interesting, like the end of a Thelma & Louise film.
May may be resigned next week and second Rer called.
Wonder if Nicola, who is in Bruxelles today meeting Barnier will have a wee signal?
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Interesting that the end could some so quickly.
If she doesn’t agree to the ECHR then it’s no deal, and no deal means a shut down of the UK.
If she does agree her whole argument has fallen on its face.
Bye bye Mrs May.
May must be incandescent that Sturgeon is meeting Barnier.
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Bugger (the Panda),
You, well I, look away for a moment and the situation, which is verging on ridiculous anyway, gets worse. Without reciprocity for EU citizens and the sad casting to the wind of people that retired to sunnier climes, I can see an election in the offing.
Time to roll the Animals greatest hit again:
“We got to get out of this place….”
You all know it, I have posted it far too often.
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Good song though…
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A classic which remains useable in an ever increasing variety of crisis.
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The really big message that has come out of Brexit for Scottish unionists (Labour in particular) is that the Westminster establishment does not agree with the principles of sharing and pooling.
It is either their way or the highway.
The UK is operated by them as a defacto unitary state with pretendy devolution to support the edifice of a pretendy union.
If we want differentiated policies in Scotland,then under Westminster rule,there is only one way we are going to achieve that.
At least the rest of the world now sees the British state for what it really is and even if they back out of Brexit now,the damage has been done and things will never be the same.
Negotiating a trade deal with the biggest trading bloc in the world which is guaranteed to be worse than what they presently have is not the actions of rational people.
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The thing is that it could be so different.
Greenland and the Faeroe Islands are part of the Kingdom of Denmark, but they have home rule. Neither country i s in the EU where the mainland of Denmark itself.
We were promised the strongest devolution in the world, ever, anywhere…
Does Westminster not know about Denmark?
Sill me. Of course they don’t.
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bringiton,
Your final two paragraphs spell out for me how much we have fallen under the Cameron / May vacuum at the top of British Politics.
They were, and are, trapped by a Conservative Party that has gone nuts.
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There’s no one worth anything to take over…
Damien Green, Michael Gove, Boris, Fox, Davis, Leadsom?
I wouldn’t let them run a bath.
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BJSalba sent me this!
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It’s playing as political farce but the truth is a tragedy for those not of the political class. I run a small business and know that the devastation this stupidity will wreak will affect my business and thousands of businesses across Scotland. I can only hope that the people of this country realise our only hope is independence but at the moment I’m not convinced that they know just how bad it’s going to be and still believe the crap of economic nirvana that the right-wing papers are spinning.
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I really don’t think that anyone has a clue what it will be like.
The BBC yesterday on the PM programme analysed what no deal, (you know, the one that was better than a bad deal), would mean. Scary stuff.
But I don’t know how many people listen to Radio 4!
People still believe that becasue the UK is the UK, supposedly one of the top countries of the world, that we will be fine. People will be begging to do deals with us.
1. I’m not sure that is entirely true (or not as true as they want it to be).
2. Even if it is, trade deals take years and years to negotiate. They need skilled and highly trained legal brains. UK has very few. If you do it quick, or with second rate people, you will get screwed and spend your life in arbitration… and arbitration means supranational bodies. So them taking back control goes out the window. Every time the US and UK do some deal, UK gets the hard end, and the US run it their way (extradition, for example). We shouldn’t expect anything better this time. To imagine that Trump is the saviour in this is a fantasy.
3 Most of the countries that might do deals with them are on the other side of the world. That’s OK, although not very green, if you’re talking about stuff that is made in China or Vietnam in a far lower cost regime. If you want to import from USA, Canada or Australia, you best get used to a massive whack in prices.
I hope you will be saved by Scotland, Smac.
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The UK would need a deal on access to US financial services. The US would need a deal on access to UK health services. Without something really big like that, it would be pointless for either side. It’s just not going to happen. It isn’t going to happen in “three months” (Farage), it isn’t going to happen “very quickly” (Trump), it isn’t going to happen before the UK leaves the EU (Fox), and it isn’t going to happen in the first five years after departure (literally everyone except for Farage, Fox, Trump). I doubt this will happen at all, to be honest. There are just so many other pressing issues facing the UK that trade deals with the US aren’t going to trouble the Foreign Office any time soon. I would also guess all UK trade deals would depend on Corbyn not winning an election before they are signed and sealed.
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You can kinda expect idiotic statements from Trump. He’s a pretty unreal person, who has lived an unreal life and has unreal expectations. He might be able to do a business deal in a few months. Not an international trade deal. He just doesn’t know that, though, because he never listens to anything anyone tells him. In any case, he changes his mind as often as he changes his socks. A few months ago he loathed the EU. Now he thinks its wonderful
Farage is a fantasist who’s never had to come good on any of the promises he’s made.
Fox is supposedly a seasoned politician who has stood for the leadership of the Tory party. He actually wanted to be Prime Minister!!! You’d think he might know some of these things. But he doesn’t. Thank heavens he gave up medicine. This level of ignorance in a consulting room could kill.
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We really have bagged ourselves quite a brace of gifted political leaders. They just aren’t interested in the detail at a time when interest in the detail is pretty much all that matters.
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This is one of the most disturbing and puzzling things of all. I would imagine they have a gaggle of underlings who are examining the details but to their great frustration are not being heeded. Their behaviour to me exhibits a lack of logic that smacks of something that I’m just not getting.
It looks to me like no deal is the only deal being pursued here.
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Yes. Apparently the reason for (or one of the reasons for) the turn over of ministers and staff is that unless you say what the top brass want to hear, you are ignored.
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The World Trade Organisation rules and tariffs are gruesome, that’s what would operate without an EU deal. Around 120 countries which are presently using WTO are all trying to make some kind of deal with the EU so they won’t be in that market.
An article the other day showed the problems for the car industry. As an example, the Mini, presently built in the UK has major parts which cross from the mainland European countries to the UK four times between start and sale. The parts would incur 10% tariff, and if I read it right that would happen each time the part was transported.
The manufacturers would look very, very hard at those costs before continuing to assemble them in the UK. That would apply to all cars as the UK doesn’t own it’s car industry and doesn’t have the manufacturing to supply the parts.
The big, big message to go out is that absolutely no preparation was made for Brexit. The exit hadn’t been in the public domain for years while industry and public considered and planned for it.
It is all from scratch.
And on the EU laws being integrated into UK law there is chaos because so much of those laws cross-refers to other EU laws. So they UK may suddenly find it is subject to EU law because they didn’t notice the connection.
The new Customs software currently being developed to deal with the UK as is, may not deal with the vast increase in transactions needed when the UK leaves the EU.
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Isn’t it just amazing that no one actually knew any of this stuff.
Maybe they just imagined that everyone else would fold their tents and say, well Britain is SO important that it can get away with all this stuff. We’ll just give them a fabulous deal that will give them all the good bits, and none of the bad bits…
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Tris, that’s why I wrote earlier that it’s a terrifying nightmare. I don’t think that much of the population has the remotest notion of how this Brexit disaster is going to impact the U.K. Many of the folk who do have some idea have commented here giving examples or opinions of how dire things will be with regard to specific aspects, particularly, and understandably, trade. I sincerely believe there will be few areas of our everyday lives that won’t be adversely affected and in some (many?) catastrophically so. “The lunatics are in charge of the asylum” is a much-overused metaphor but, hackneyed or not, it’s never been more appropriate than now.
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True. I think that many people voted on :
(a) getting rid of the foreigners,
(b) getting £350m a week for the NHS
(c) getting rid of EU regulations.
So, if we get rid of all the foreigners a big part of our economy will fall down. In fact we probably won’t make any go home, but there are 3 million EU citizens here; there are 1.5 million unemployed, many of whom are effectively unemployable for a variety of reasons. We will end up begging people to come to the UK
The £350 million was a fantasy The EU costs £280 million a week. A fair amount comes back in a variety of subsidies, grants etc. and a good deal of the rest goes to pay for the hundreds of agencies and bodies the EU runs on behalf of the UK government and which the UK will now have to run on their own.
We will have to take most of the EU regulations into UK/Scots/Irish law. And to do trade deals with anyone we will have to take on board THEIR relations. If there is a trade deal with the EU all the regulations relating to trade will be decided by the EU. Ask Norway.
When you look at May, Fox, Davis and particularly Mad Boris, the phrase about lunatics is far from metaphorical.
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